Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiZKs-0004HE-SL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:07 -0700 Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiZKo-0004Gd-Hq for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:06 -0700 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id 4so180206nfv for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=9iN4OxldJU0dG54r+FyvlOC2+WtPMsJpBts23ot/qO8=; b=VGIQBnNQkndDggzx6vajSW+aVpZxUunfkpbjq6kiHjbstuKFpoyZiur4P9x3QiH7HGlTvoa1CxY31HvvlWwGlXhux1dKGdd8wZVH3xFmh+MHWzC2YJEfh1CLz6qdtW83KqGD28BLyH8clLCzBCP5hoFoXJAfeGo0EL/5+YLXLjI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=VvxoIxlAz1rLVaZomzK//+eT/IXfIHoFNF3jNK0x340YD43bBVZE5E+fp5UgfaR1Xj1utivQ+PXwaZPy+7m7fORL29cc7nzcswJ6aSh0TymXe4aUFfw9mKZAFkw1wD566eLY2USccyLm6Mwe2KbCLRT2dIic/ze6YtbuwiTXzrk= Received: by 10.86.81.8 with SMTP id e8mr617619fgb.1192729140598; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.86.13 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 10:39:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560710181039p4f40ff00r7db1a6dd0db79575@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 14:39:00 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "With /n/ confidence..." In-Reply-To: <004701c811ae$c82d68e0$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <925d17560710180911r61f51d1au6e5c90b63b54a724@mail.gmail.com> <20071018164319.GE14269@digitalkingdom.org> <004701c811ae$c82d68e0$e18e6d0a@Starlight> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5504 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 622 On 10/18/07, Marjorie Scherf wrote: > > Is probability the same as certainty? Usually not. I can be 100% certain that the probablility of a coin coming up heads is 50%, for example. Certainty is about knowledge, it is subjective. Probability can be objective. Maybe nobody knows what the probability of something happening is, but we can do some experiments and find out. The probability of the event doesn't change as we perform the experiments, but our certainty about whether it will happen or not might change depending on how accurately we are able to determine its probability. mu'o mi'e xorxes