Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiYY5-00029p-VB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:48:42 -0700 Received: from netscaler2.rice.edu ([128.42.206.5] helo=mh2.mail.rice.edu) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IiYY3-00029Z-5h for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 09:48:41 -0700 Received: from mh2.mail.rice.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7448E36C16A for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:48:33 -0500 (CDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavis-2.4.4 at mh2.mail.rice.edu Received: from mh2.mail.rice.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (mh2.mail.rice.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s4pmSMDfof2l for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:48:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from Starlight (student-109-mar142-225.rice.edu [10.109.142.225]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mh2.mail.rice.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A14836C342 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:48:32 -0500 (CDT) From: "Marjorie Scherf" To: References: <925d17560710180911r61f51d1au6e5c90b63b54a724@mail.gmail.com> <20071018164319.GE14269@digitalkingdom.org> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "With /n/ confidence..." Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2007 11:46:15 -0600 Message-ID: <004701c811ae$c82d68e0$e18e6d0a@Starlight> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis In-Reply-To: <20071018164319.GE14269@digitalkingdom.org> Thread-Index: AcgRpiv4EZDeZTKPR8C9zqI0M+uptwACFkYg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-Spam-Score-Int: 1 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5503 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mls1@rice.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1420 -----Original Message----- From: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org [mailto:lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org] On Behalf Of Robin Lee Powell Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 10:43 AM To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "With /n/ confidence..." On Thu, Oct 18, 2007 at 01:11:32PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 10/18/07, David Cortesi wrote: > > > > Although "with N confidence" is pedantic and stuffy in > > scientific papers, such a prefix, if concise, could have more > > general use in a logical language. "I'm 90% sure I will go to > > the store..." or "the noise in the bushes that I am .75 certain > > is a bear..." Some useful idioms could follow, like "With zero > > confidence I assert" as a whimsical way of saying "baloney", > > etc. > > What you describe would have to be a cmavo of selma'o MAI, that > turns a number into an indicator, but here are only two cmavo > there {mai} and {mo'o}, which have a different meaning. Ernh? Why does that need to be an indicator? We already have ju'o for the indicator form; for actually asserting a particular probability we have: cu'o MOI probability selbri convert number to probability selbri; event x1 has probability (n) of occurring under cond. x2 and a few gismu as well. -Robin Is probability the same as certainty? mu'omi'e .skaryzgik.