Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlDUU-0004cH-83 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:58 -0700 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.175]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1IlDUS-0004c7-8V for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:58 -0700 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so656383uge for ; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=sbzcK7uwfTJhrjiVq8iWhWTnsJwRXMRWbTr63WRI55A=; b=r8LXCilezt6R3HXjXMKrMJ/zq+oO/Zk3vlT6klL+YPs7zcYtge687Vd0JDRscbxvQCMig08vieFaMacVdL71bUs9d+S0AwFlgGCvVjlfZlJH/R7FKxK7Zd7a8UC7yiEPiFpGcvRQJvkI/kFriA5PGwxSChNXgujTfzkswVZjQCQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=IiA9hQ+EoZPFnipVVGJDme2jN2CGjFVYou3ywVPM+HJTht8M6aQyJPYeQDY/8wTueENe+3KpgB9skub1b4qNVgVo2BGItSjIdWucJT44f0CWGXmx3kcgEqbkmi84Du0WkM6KlfAex+haIEdgK94VnLSjv12NHnZomHT5k+cgc00= Received: by 10.78.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr1836339huc.1193360154342; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.159.5 with HTTP; Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <64e5cd9c0710251755l28eb1368l57304bfe1d2d0f50@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:55:54 -0700 From: "Mike Zink" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Music note names? In-Reply-To: <71550650710251653p80bac49we64a3d4cd01252c4@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_4406_17030931.1193360154327" References: <97f5058c0710231546w35fb2e6dx278434c13a16797e@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710251106j3c997fecx3430b95159716e94@mail.gmail.com> <97f5058c0710251415w1c1013b9ub3de3faaf736d7f8@mail.gmail.com> <71550650710251632g2603ef69o5807c3bde18700b4@mail.gmail.com> <64e5cd9c0710251644t109185b9hc47811dae372880d@mail.gmail.com> <71550650710251653p80bac49we64a3d4cd01252c4@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5665 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zuwiki@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 6207 ------=_Part_4406_17030931.1193360154327 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Making them that long seems to defeat the purpose, since notes should really be represented with single syllables. Also, I believe the discussion was meant to create a system that could be used as a language feature, so quoting them wouldn't really work in that sense. Other than that, quoting would work fine as far as I know, but I am no musician. Using the actual letters would also not work for having notes represented by a single syllable (i.e., {.abu} and {.ebu}), so maybe a number system would be best? On 10/25/07, Yoav Nir wrote: > > Yes. We could attach them to some rafsi to make a fu'ivla. tog- would > work, so we can have togydo-togyre-togymi... > Of course, that makes the note names longer than they are in any language, > but we really don't need it. strings of note-names could always be quoted. > > On 10/26/07, Mike Zink wrote: > > > > The do-re-mi scheme would be nice, but wouldn't it just create a whole > > lot of ambiguities? In fact, all of those first three are already Lojban > > words. > > > > On 10/25/07, Yoav Nir wrote: > > > > > > I'm not sure. The do-re-mi scheme works well with tonal music. So does > > > the A-B-C scheme. > > > > > > I believe these schemes are used around the world. Any reason why we > > > should opt for something completely different? > > > > > > On 10/26/07, james riley < jimr1603@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I like it. The children of lojbanistan can learn their notes and > > > > their numbers at the same time! > > > > > > > > On 25/10/2007, Penguino < spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On second though, perhaps C should be no. That way intervals can > > > > > be calculated in mod-12 arithmetic? > > > > > > > > > > C - no > > > > > C#/Db - pa > > > > > D - re > > > > > D#/Eb - ci > > > > > E - vo > > > > > F - mu > > > > > F#/Gb - xa > > > > > G - ze > > > > > G#/Ab - bi > > > > > A - so > > > > > A#/Bb - dau > > > > > B - fei > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > - Mike Zink > > > > -- - Mike Zink ------=_Part_4406_17030931.1193360154327 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Making them that long seems to defeat the purpose, since notes should really be represented with single syllables. Also, I believe the discussion was meant to create a system that could be used as a language feature, so quoting them wouldn't really work in that sense. Other than that, quoting would work fine as far as I know, but I am no musician. Using the actual letters would also not work for having notes represented by a  single syllable ( i.e., {.abu} and {.ebu}), so maybe a number system would be best?

On 10/25/07, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes. We could attach them to some rafsi to make a fu'ivla. tog- would work, so we can have togydo-togyre-togymi...

Of course, that makes the note names longer than they are in any language, but we really don't need it. strings of note-names could always be quoted.


On 10/26/07, Mike Zink < zuwiki@gmail.com> wrote:
The do-re-mi scheme would be nice, but wouldn't it just create a whole lot of ambiguities? In fact, all of those first three are already Lojban words.


On 10/25/07, Yoav Nir <yoav.nir@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not sure. The do-re-mi scheme works well with tonal music. So does the A-B-C scheme.

 
I believe these schemes are used around the world.  Any reason why we should opt for something completely different?


On 10/26/07, james riley < jimr1603@gmail.com> wrote:
I like it. The children of lojbanistan can learn their notes and their numbers at the same time!


On 25/10/2007, Penguino < spheniscine@gmail.com> wrote:
On second though, perhaps C should be no. That way intervals can be calculated in mod-12 arithmetic?

C - no
C#/Db - pa
D - re
D#/Eb - ci
E - vo
F - mu
F#/Gb - xa
G - ze
G#/Ab - bi
A - so
A#/Bb - dau
B - fei


 



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