Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix65x-0006pT-Gf for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:46 -0800 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.180]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1Ix65p-0006pD-TJ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:45 -0800 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so1323717waf for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; bh=U/rt4eBY4UL3TFycx5NhTWmVAPOW6izFVyhoaReBfPU=; b=LY3WbHNZztBleJYfsZKEJLNLoxaeTlVeu6l/vRFpbYyGrS9qW3M92VDnru1TVjWLmzofHOLquqELhncJTfWEhGus9uZ9SbCHErWDex/UQ4EtrIE/j2ZjKkEyrlP0+WmXZmnTvCF21WUySloizlQ4Y1klpmGE/Z+wSdPTT92c/Gc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:x-google-sender-auth; b=rK7SnfUB8diWEe8URe/uzz6fKsmKfbINDJJH4yTmNARVmgGxxtD9t0C6mz8Hry+3S3XmupCr6O9Bp/vNE03kLcOk75J/otCvWBHI/HPdJIBZDUAxf2EgPAg3cAngoXgwujNuIXa370n3sPUULt6QP6XQTeGcIiX0cEhUrUrWK1c= Received: by 10.114.38.2 with SMTP id l2mr1490060wal.1196191656304; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.146.19 with HTTP; Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:27:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <471533220711271127s279a1e4fj5576d0797c39000d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:27:36 +0100 From: regua To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] melbi MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3d0e7d0a256e2002 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 5819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: regua@regua.biz Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 737 Hi there. I've been learning Lojban for just a week, and am slowly starting to understand it. I use the "What is Lojban" and "Lojban for beginners" [http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure] books. According to "What is Lojban", the meaning of the selbri "melbi" is: > x1 (object/idea) is beautiful to x2 (observer) by standard x3 [http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure/diagsumm.html] And, according to "Lojban for beginners", the meaning is: > x1 is beautiful/pleasant to x2 in aspect x3 (ka) by aesthetic standard x4 [http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less4quantities.html] Now, my questions is: which of these definitions is correct? How many sumti can 'melbi' take? Thanks. mi'e bartoc.