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Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2008 13:54:01 +0800
From: Penguino <spheniscine@gmail.com>
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: towns and countries
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Personally, I dislike Lojban-derived *cmevla*, and avoid them (except for
established ones like [la lojban.]), preferring to use *brivla* as names. I
guess I just don't like the sound of words ending with syllables like [gug]
or [tixn].

I'm actually in favor of relaxing the phonotactic rules governing *cmevla*,
allowing names like [la moskvas.], [la petalindjaias.], and [la djeimz.],
even though they contain consonant clusters forbidden in other words. After
all, we already allow names like [la prjevalskis.] or [la pskof.]. This
would make things easier for beginners, who are often taught how to make *
cmevla* first.

Another thing I find to be problematic is the [la, lai, la'i, doi]
restriction. [la] is a very common syllable in Malaysian names. Although I
could render Kuala Lumpur as [la kualylumpur.], names like Selangor
[sylanor] prove to be more problematic, since the [la] is stressed, and
would suffer if replaced by [ly]. Solutions I've considered include
splitting up the name [la syl.anor.], or modifying the word to place a
consonant before [la], [la slanor.]. On the other hand, the original name
couldn't break up into [la sy la nor.], since [sy] would require a pause
(However it does break up in *la jbofi'e*), so perhaps it can be left well
alone, along with [la srilankas.], which also cannot break up. But that
would greatly complicate the *cmevla* morphological rules.

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Personally, I dislike Lojban-derived <i>cmevla</i>, and avoid them (except for established ones like [la lojban.]), preferring to use <i>brivla</i> as names. I guess I just don&#39;t like the sound of words ending with syllables like [gug] or [tixn].
<br><br>I&#39;m actually in favor of relaxing the phonotactic rules governing <i>cmevla</i>, allowing names like [la moskvas.], [la petalindjaias.], and [la djeimz.], even though they contain consonant clusters forbidden in other words. After all, we already allow names like [la prjevalskis.] or [la pskof.]. This would make things easier for beginners, who are often taught how to make 
<i>cmevla</i> first.<br><br>Another thing I find to be problematic is the [la, lai, la&#39;i, doi] restriction. [la] is a very common syllable in Malaysian names. Although I could render Kuala Lumpur as [la kualylumpur.], names like Selangor [sylanor] prove to be more problematic, since the [la] is stressed, and would suffer if replaced by [ly]. Solutions I&#39;ve considered include splitting up the name [la 
syl.anor.], or modifying the word to place a consonant before [la], [la slanor.]. On the other hand, the original name couldn&#39;t break up into [la sy la nor.], since [sy] would require a pause (However it does break up in 
<i>la jbofi&#39;e</i>), so perhaps it can be left well alone, along with [la srilankas.], which also cannot break up. But that would greatly complicate the <i>cmevla</i> morphological rules.<br>

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