Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JFWrm-0002qJ-Qb for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:23 -0800 Received: from rv-out-0910.google.com ([209.85.198.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JFWre-0002pd-IR for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:18 -0800 Received: by rv-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id b22so546574rvf.46 for ; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dzuYDnrT4prtocfGxGSi9HNlwgwdprax8uGRNfJnRtA=; b=tvn08ieg4rHjh2ZeQtb+g7rmSX//iQrPsMB7YvJmHCv15aXZ/Ah9BnvMM4WSDLBxm8kr0rXliV+niNulZnukHTb+2cAnM9PX/WGybSYdVCGpUB0o1X3xyhYMnMjobzWLnWNeMtWYRTrifRr736uUmJ24M9jx3cJlGffMrdqmi60= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lPm4U7jpt7ObjPavFp34unZE6hGuI7fccMU57Gn7Rtr8d3/oXsiVSsg+sBJ5PYS22Jrf1jCExIZn7u2N7ENx5qvAgiG1CXK9JQqGHE3lskS4oquapKub71TCJ+Sh2Bp0p0uEwa7zQwQ9eGnDt627YC1hbLfBuWmOehasGjH5htM= Received: by 10.141.129.14 with SMTP id g14mr1530007rvn.274.1200584463915; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.141.190.17 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:41:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <96f789a60801170741n1ed40133w3c43fad1e5fcd2e4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 10:41:03 -0500 From: "Michael Turniansky" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmevla-final apostrophe In-Reply-To: <20080117020029.j488jydojokocwws@webmail.ixkey.info> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0801160353m205ab989u5dfbc58f51a4e39b@mail.gmail.com> <478DF125.8050206@gmail.com> <2f91285f0801160626j58c41c08h4195a66da41047aa@mail.gmail.com> <454EB6BD-01C3-4A48-83C4-371616030F98@umich.edu> <20080117020029.j488jydojokocwws@webmail.ixkey.info> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 272 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1116 On Jan 17, 2008 5:00 AM, wrote: > I also would like to say in reference to the matter of having to end > names on a consonant, that there appears to be a strong (if informal & > optional) tradition here in Lojbanistan of using "s" as the default > consonant [ka'u] for vowel-ending names. It's my feeling that to a > Lojbanic ear, an "s" at the end of a name sounds special, because we > know it often has that origin. My handle for many years has been > Mungojelly (part of my Discordian holy name "Pope Salmon the Lesser > Mungojelly"), which is Lojbanized as "la mungodjelis." I'm happy to > accept my "s", and to participate in this Lojbanic tradition [.o'a]. > (I would like to hear what the origin of it is, if anyone knows?) > I can't tell you the why, but I can tell that it goes all the way back to the earliest days of Loglan. JCB tended to add s to names derived from other languages, and -n to names derived from Loglanish words (like the days of the week, and months of the year, and the sun and moon). (I studied Loglan back in the mid 70s) --gejyspa