Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 05:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0bO1-0003sF-Lk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:01:12 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0bNe-0003Pd-GF for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:01:09 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so1888443waf.20 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:00:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=h8OoKWaYtr4r6/9mTN6g7XKg+IoWETgWinGeQrLr0us=; b=K520JRQla3kx0Ae9Wej4BMPbkmFS7hD+LsGSLTsEpRoXNm2uUuwr782aGkHKWD/T/8s9LyCeZ6rNHkzH97egv8AXT7rLs53D48ERCBtvQIuzZ+C0Wf/Ev8hZ2uU+LR2++kb8GYkhfAblZrA/HEMVsCE9cHaj/ic3o2G4nbGl2dk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=oytrT74IRoLXKFwCOoaRqac0CnOaH8U3CkgFMdWPHMBaaddSolBkjWILxLOaF1AmANyOS9/tr7usQqqKkoroX3LrqoCNRK4LIMr2cn/pCXATB4QCMrUxbw6RZF1GsNQ6E7HEmIsAJRYcrC2fkiPD+liHaK0Udb2X6E2I3/lGOfE= Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr5443675wal.33.1211803238504; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:00:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:00:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805260500j4bed176bvc31f4106c1b78539@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:00:37 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Agriculture and fisheries In-Reply-To: <593251.97837.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <593251.97837.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 586 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1342 On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 6:24 PM, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > Would it be malglico to do what so many other languages do - use the > word 'branches' ? e.g.: > executive branch: {zuktrujimca} > legislative branch: {flatrujimca} > judiciary: {paitrujimca} > government: zuktrusu'a > parliament: flatrusu'a > 'the courts': paitrisu'a > Then {trupau} could still be used for 'Ministry'. Would a department then be {lo trupau pagbu}? > mu'o mi'e andrus The idea of "branch" implies a span where spatiality or temporality emerges, which is not necessarily the definitional property of the governmental divisions in question. What I think we want to signify is a notional organization to which spatial or temporal stretches are not pertinent. So I would prefer something from {girzu} as suggested by Stevo, or {ciste}, or {ganzu}. e.g. executive branch - zuktrugri legislative branch - flatrugri judiciary branch - paitrugri As for "government", I'm not sure whether {stura/su'a} is the best tertau. The vlaste's {truci'e} seems as good. The grouping can then go like: e.g. government - zuktruci'e parliament - flatruci'e 'the courts' - paitruci'e If more terminological relevance is wanted between "executive branch" & "government" and so on, we might add {ci'e} to the former:{zuktruci'egri} & {zuktruci'e}. mu'o mi'e tijlan