Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0c9y-0005Wh-1F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:42 -0700 Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.170.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0c9t-0005WN-C2 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:41 -0700 Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id v73so880754rnb.0 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=KTvt9fKozdJdfLnoDzyZDDlOD6NB1QjYObkMA24FCYs=; b=AfJKo3AgpTO5ohI7y/Y8Ygrkvq6F8MZUo67leegLQ4h7WZ4T4DhIu5AAjnLHrHGSyMd/+AhzoC4yvTakmUkXQlegrrp1cNt/TiRxA6x2QV1xS9gLs4UKKWhL+8IKvNXA7Oqnqc3/Rfo69KnjcY9V7udPlqVFAB3ikujIovnyu7U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=wbd/UxW5pd8C1hClP75cjVw4WJ++dIeMcQK9wGO+J32Jq5Eix7gFqvZf1tJscMVXteujh79+RaVncrpOaZOVJYTAHyAxBycYrbMYIMJLeU/p8NUSJ44TfafmPEpqV5o3Ln95/o92xIdv1GSlbNanagKHwPLaqQ956+XEI3eHxQs= Received: by 10.114.126.1 with SMTP id y1mr5460353wac.108.1211806235131; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.136.19 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 05:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805260550o8cf00c3ocd7f33cd20217ec5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 14:50:34 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Timo answers Yitziks first questions :) In-Reply-To: <483A9D7C.2080608@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> <483A9D7C.2080608@perpetuum-immobile.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 588 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1065 On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Timo Paulssen wrote: > I.Penzev wrote: >> coi rodo > > coi fi'i .itsik .i mi gleki lo nu do lojbo binxo ui > > >> mi'e .itsik. .i mi xabju le vurgu'e .i mi puzi co'a cilre fi la lojban. >> I'd like to ask a couple of questions concerning Lojban grammar usage. >> If I understand correctly, ti botpi loi birje means 'this is a bottle of >> beer'. How should I say 'I bought a bottle of beer'? mi pu terve'u lo >> botpi be loi birje ? > > Exactly, that's the main use of the sumti-linker {be}. If the context is obvious, also {lo birje botpi} for "a bottle of beer" would work. >> - 'There is a book on the table'; > > {lo cukta cu cpana lo jubme} For this one I would prefer Pierre's {da cukta ga'u le jubme}. I feel the focus isn't on the event of "a book being on the surface of the table" but rather of "something being a book on the table". {da cukta ga'u le jubme} has also fewer brivla than {lo cukta cu cpana lo jubme}, which I believe gives rise to more readability. mu'o mi'e tijlan