Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0h6O-0006RV-Vz for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:21 -0700 Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K0h6J-0006Qr-C1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:20 -0700 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e12so1321141fga.0 for ; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=nnzjt6jtycwIRYYdmVbI4UFvL94oLsvNurLI0NSY/0g=; b=IPikkbSeDvJOaB1OPSdxmQ6QhrWQ9ZMlYsyhrw2T97cOg/Wzjn0cA7uhnT40iXZXYWtQx50Zyis6nqK4CMX8aYM972S0ZsNdreBpciinhpXMHzmZ/tdpzyFYZElE7hxzer1wX2LW7O2GR/WWhAIGVBbtHW+VCE8a/JWk9jguxzw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=sSNT+Dv9n2lvbfS2NKqd7QEtxFCv9AtRIrQOY1FI/s4nCibcdXde8qw1OxRO6fCyMSWabOoFNLgnX0NPBFpTrDeF2z7WOWMR2i9muH/uINUKi4//Hz4Lry9caMSMHFMNBwMwIYfl3uPpdOBGLr+lcA0wBy2I3MWsVu8pvFdpTY4= Received: by 10.86.98.10 with SMTP id v10mr5321682fgb.39.1211825230366; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.86.33.18 with HTTP; Mon, 26 May 2008 11:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d17560805261107p6c3fcacfre52635861bb3a2c3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 15:07:10 -0300 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?=" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yitzik asks his first questions In-Reply-To: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <119C0B344EF0448ABD8F47C56483A7E5@Cohen2> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 598 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 519 On 5/26/08, I.Penzev wrote: > > If I understand correctly, ti botpi loi birje means 'this is a bottle of > beer'. According to the gi'uste, it would actually mean "this is a bottle *for* beer", it could be empty, or filled with water. But in fact I expect your sense is what's most sensible. There doesn't seems to be any consistency in the way containers are handled by the official definitions. We have "bottle *for* contents", "bucket *of* contents", "basket *with* contents". mu'o mi'e xorxes