Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K2VTB-0007AJ-Uk for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:22 -0700 Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1K2VT7-00079n-6H for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:21 -0700 Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id k22so164905waf.20 for ; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Id3gl8OR2DGzf4SaLMxdtMhjyUzQdgDJkYMmPzlJEQM=; b=sIXr78NYl+asnj5z8O3zKaN9FPZRiOXQEjtSnEI2NO87aazfOdCWJFOFnXjwP9TELciyUe87sTSFAqDIqKOzeOc7wfuAJe29TpjTJcZn5LLCZzePnRT5frbkXe0AG6nxjFUVFo788LhFJc0tJFddbHBKnFCDcHkXssZKy+3J9fk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=jCWRaX59LPchJutBZaslCIl4zEaToH3AaeOnk52GGSm0rJ4PmUqNk1JUifqd4e60x5cHeJAqD8cSECCgz/nenw+4eRX7GRnwUHPqwzGnq84Y6onldsNYeaxCbi26ynQErzLLZUFLZl4vAbtX3M6cJmEN+OobyaEi5HUrRbpT5ac= Received: by 10.114.15.16 with SMTP id 16mr7777085wao.113.1212257173570; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.94.16 with HTTP; Sat, 31 May 2008 11:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2f91285f0805311106q4602ebb2v39f452749aac6e1c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 20:06:13 +0200 From: "Vid Sintef" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Fwd: the gismu typos In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <2f91285f0805300810i2f7fb929oe927c5434d9b7f93@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160805300852m2f922402n556158970101b80e@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160805300858r60f0659ase172a2f1106e0916@mail.gmail.com> <2f91285f0805310930i6bc3744axf656ccc3a599214a@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 626 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: picos.picos@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 793 On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Marjorie Scherf wrote: But isn't one > of Lojban's core principles that it is designed to avoid unnecessary > ambiguities? Yes. But merely having two forms of gismu for one definition is no cause of ambiguities. We already have this rule where more than two sounds mutually correspond to one lerfu (e.g. /r/) on the condition that the set of correspondence/relation is exclusive i.e. each sound is represented by only one lerfu (under a particular writing system). Similarly, the current semantic order of gismu would remain undestroyed if we have {spofu} & {spotu} for anything but "broken", for example; one idea per one word, one meaning per one usage. The problem is their rafsi, as pointed out by komfo,amonan. mu'o mi'e tijlan