Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvGS-0008Nm-73 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:17 -0800 Received: from mx.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.19] helo=sdf.lonestar.org ident=root) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LAvGO-0008Md-UK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:48:16 -0800 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.13.8) with ESMTP id mBBNm8Im025876 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:08 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.2/8.12.8/Submit) id mBBNm84D000448 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:08 GMT Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 23:48:08 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attitudinals question Message-ID: <20081211234755.GA10966@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <5715b9300812111452h2771b99cnffea157a0484adfb@mail.gmail.com> <467245c20812111515j4ac4338fs3b4f8ca43fc2c1f@mail.gmail.com> <467245c20812111520p4b9512aex50717c3379f27f1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <467245c20812111520p4b9512aex50717c3379f27f1@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1084 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 791 de'i li 11 pi'e 12 pi'e 2008 la'o fy. pyrosim .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > My naive thought would be that the .ui would bond to the whole > sentence and the xu would bond to the do .skamyxatra It's the other way around. "{.ui}" and "{xu}" are both of {selma'o} UI, and so they bind to the word immediately before them. They only affect an entire sentence when they come at the beginning of a text or after an "{.i}", which causes them to modify whatever's on the right side of the "{.i}". > I think the sentence you are looking for is "xu .ui dai". No, asking about another's feelings is done with "{pei}," and so "Are you happy?" would be "{.ui pei}" (or "{xu do gleki}" for a strict translation). mu'omi'e la'o gy. Minimiscience .gy. -- do ganai ka'e tcidu dei gi djuno lo dukse