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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 13:58:01 -0300
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: UI & gismu
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Not all of those gismu have an x1 for the speaker. It would be more
consistent to make them all fit the same pattern, for example:

lo cusku cu pilno zo VV lo nu jarco lo ka ce'u XXXXX
The speaker uses VV to show that they XXXXX

lo cusku cu pilno zo .a'a lo nu jarco lo ka ce'u jundi
The speaker uses "a'a" to show that they are paying attention.

2009/2/11 J Y <kkm2019@gmail.com>:
> a'a    jundi
> a'e    cikna
> a'i    ?
           troci

> a'o    cpana
           pacna

> a'u    cinri
           se cinri

> ai    jdice

Not quite right, but there is no gismu that means "x1 intends to do x2".

> au    djica
> e'a    curmi
> e'e    kakne

Here I would use one for "x1 exhorts/encourages/entreats/incites/dares
x2 to do x3"
Perhaps "xlura" or "talsa".

> e'i    to'e zifre

Here I would use "minde".

> e'o    cpedu
> e'u    stidi
> ei    bilga

"bilga" only works when the speaker is also the agent. But "ei" is
more general, "x1 feels that x2 ought to be the case", where x2 is not
necesarily something that the speaker has to do.

> i'a    ?
          na'e fapro

> i'e    darlu
          zanru

> i'i    gubni
         kansa

> i'o    ?
          ckire

> i'u    slabu
          se slabu

> ia    krici
> ie    tugni
> ii    terpa
> io    sinma
> iu    nelci
         prami

> o'a    jgira
> o'e    jibni

Maybe "cnijbi".

> o'i    kajde
> o'o    renvi
           xendo

> o'u    surla
> oi    to'e mansa
          pante

> u'a    cpacu
           jinga

> u'e    manci
           se manci

> u'i    zdile
          se zdile

> u'o    virnu
> u'u    xenru
> ua    facki
> ue    spaji
> ui    gleki
> uo    mulno
           snada, mulgau

> uu    kecti
>
> -----------------------
>
> fi'i lei stika

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