Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJCz-0005vk-Am for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:13 -0800 Received: from mail-qy0-f20.google.com ([209.85.221.20]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LXJCw-0005uU-74 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:12 -0800 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so701190qyk.10 for ; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UlkVDYRAfXxVlnER2VuR3CZoft1UeDMvxxiqFPdJD28=; b=LjS3hY8ybaW0xV0uxzP4tKWLlmGo0jU8VwYCpaDzjgy+32d2e0ciQWm9/ajvVwORkg K8eCn9eVU0V1DCuwks/BV+o7GLQ9V72HHPLUeulshep5moN2h0VfgmVyhbNuB+XQmikB Pui2X+h9cJegEbo9Abzi6Py9u/A+V1YHJ4hx4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=U8AVps7pAz20G8gGIaYdLAOrPXeCHH4wwXzzAUf/BeZzDjBZ1ltq74P5ZkfLNczRuJ E+eKSfbQRaBOto1858BPumHIpUa0jlfq6A54S6qUnYtIf+jjhY/ieKG76518oh/NCjEj 1Uw2DxvLedHz72tu0oFMjYpAMeriCxGJ6ij9c= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.95.4 with SMTP id b4mr5302532qcn.46.1234374541069; Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930902110936x66517534wd32957811484f30b@mail.gmail.com> References: <70697fa40902110700p7ae4ecbayb745dfcd3d23fc14@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560902110858k48c606b5lba9dbed3837674d2@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930902110936x66517534wd32957811484f30b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 14:49:01 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560902110949o1b53c320k7cbf56c8b7eff4a2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: UI & gismu From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1327 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 836 On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 2:36 PM, paskal.kos wrote: > 2009/2/11 Jorge Llambías : >>> ai jdice >> >> Not quite right, but there is no gismu that means "x1 intends to do x2". > > How about "zukte"? Isn't a "volitional entity" with "purpose/goal" > something that intends? Perhaps "zukte be zi'o", since "ai" is concerned with the speaker's intentions, not really with their actions. >>> ei bilga >> >> "bilga" only works when the speaker is also the agent. But "ei" is >> more general, "x1 feels that x2 ought to be the case", where x2 is not >> necesarily something that the speaker has to do. > > How about "dapma", in an non-offensive, neutral sense? Could be, if we can really abstract away from all those negative connotation words used in the definition. mu'o mi'e xorxes