Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LjvN4-0001pZ-4u for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:46 -0700 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.241]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LjvN1-0001pM-Q1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:46 -0700 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id d14so33360and.1 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hbW+ybrCZi7ZJoKaon50wMKlRXsmDNTgjrUjaFqDSTs=; b=G6+WOIYMVvbuEEF3BzaEuS0l2lh9jAmFX4ERe/5hHsVQm6GKlrtUU48P9d9Y5zr3dO dkiRayoGuRroe0b9aBdMGiulMiQyh60pRcbotGIsrwwoRLv5ilmL9S9SLCzFV/iJ0Jec r9SdzMmMpJTGz0RnjZm163AEcjK9SgRnTFHa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fT/4dETbKH6zZPsu+uYXIqIV+jYoJjNWnmsWem0iwr1EKyac6qMOk5+AThCXagjWWA OhN6k0CeVap3lj6z5UvBAPonqfjnaQs7tgvJVw5xP6i3UfuARNGkJl8mXjQJIqccaQ5/ o4yaCx/58J9Zu8hSaxhyPoGvOIcOk0yETWjPQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.49.20 with SMTP id w20mr506809wfw.330.1237381182465; Wed, 18 Mar 2009 05:59:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560903180544o4d023061u72b410b5bf73bc31@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17560903180544o4d023061u72b410b5bf73bc31@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:59:42 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60903180559m16c4b85cyedfdfe9a59db4153@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Preliminary chapter 1 for Lojban learners From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 1444 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 935 2009/3/18 Jorge LlambĂ­as : > You won't be pronouncing a different word if > you choose a different stress than the one proposed for you. Says who? Unlike cmavo, stress may in fact be the only difference in cmevla between two differently named things. If I have one friend named BArux, and another name baRUX, I can distinguish them in speech by use of stress, and I can distinguish them in writing by use of capitals. And if I don't choose to use the capitals, then the refgram says it's the former, not the latter, that I must be talking about. (Chapter 4, section 8: "Names may have almost any form, but always end in a consonant, and are followed by a pause. They are penultimately stressed, unless unusual stress is marked with capitalization.") > > Given the above, my preference is to never indicate a preferred > stressed for cmevla, and leave the choice to the reader. --gejyspa