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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:10:25 -0400
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Preliminary chapter 1 for Lojban learners
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:19 PM,  <MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com> wrote:
> In a message dated 3/18/2009 09:00:29 Eastern Daylight Time,
> mturniansky@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> Unlike cmavo, stress may in fact be the only difference
> in cmevla  between two differently named things.  If I have one friend
> named BArux, and another name baRUX, I can distinguish them in speech
> by use of stress, and I can distinguish them in writing by use of
> capitals.  And if I don't choose to use the capitals, then the refgram
> says it's the former, not the latter, that I must be talking about.
>
>
> Neither English nor Hebrew marks the stress in Baruch.

  It depends on the setting.  Actually, Hebrew in many siddurim and
chumashim has the same type of system as lojban, since proper stress
is important: there is a default stress (in Hebrew, on the ultimate
syllable), and a meteg (unicode 05BD) to mark a non-final syllable
that is stressed (or, in the case of the chumash, the trop symbols).


> Lojban isn't as
> ambiguous about its word stress as those two, but writing the name in both
> cases as "barux" doesn't seem wrong to me.
>
> And as xorxes pointed out, they're still grammatically the same word.
>

    Well, if you come by my house and pronounce my name with the wrong
stress, I'll just have to react violently, and we'll see if proper
stress is important or not  (anyone else, of course, I would gently
correct....).  One pronunciation is my name, one is not

             --gejyspa