Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LzblD-0006ot-Jw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:31 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Lzbl8-0006nh-5c for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:31 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1521868qwc.58 for ; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=IhsxPODgpVcnTKssF1cmYjuxWvpGB+5obuPFfV8enHc=; b=oJyVl+qz/jOppwF4gBSM1d15Do6pr2FI100DTzogYrDL4h8ar48gxr86fQtfSfx4Aj tMVRrBOmWY3GWLQUl19e3Kf60P0eA9xj3UfE+1iZk5iBovLT4MY43YtGn2UBIfYLKGwV NTQt+1g+SlyZbbGtRi/CHQFOFMpjT6/ao2g7w= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=lRv0g0AmSRtZCQyXGKFRphNBrPUDDR3a6WEAooRegxCGV7y95+z3KtVzOZ124c2PM7 hJHMgR6HwGQ3pk2HlhJCx7hlC+mCW9RekVgVzi9gtWoyDa3gZbWw5DOs3CQH4rAaR6xu UElS7MJPxRvRurtYIdj64UFwkQ2kR3et04+Gw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.86.204 with SMTP id t12mr3957856vcl.32.1241119044772; Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:17:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860904301207v7a49ab65ke15dbe185d78cf45@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860904301145j6f589846p16fff6abd42b4547@mail.gmail.com> <12d58c160904301154mc602a72g99c71e24db3cc215@mail.gmail.com> <7f1d42860904301207v7a49ab65ke15dbe185d78cf45@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:17:24 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300904301217y6493ade8k80eb802debf51b28@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: simple question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64ec9dac9ab1d0468ca8b90 X-archive-position: 1600 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 4688 --0016e64ec9dac9ab1d0468ca8b90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit correct me if I'm wrong anybody but... the way I understand it is that ja/je/jo/ju are used in connecting words in a tanru. So "lo gerku je nakni" is a tanru (treated as a single sumti in the bridi) that means "the thing that is a dog and male" whereas if you had just said "lo gerku nakni" you're being vague and are saying something more like "the dog type-of male". .a/.e/.o/.u is for saying "these two sumti fall into this place" but keeps them seperate. So "lo gerku .e nakni" would be "the dog and the male" not speaking of 1 thing but of two things. finally ga/ge/gi/go/gu are just used for giving a reader/listener the knowledge that a logical connective is coming up, like "either A or B" is "ga .abu gi by" I'm not sure if in all these cases there should have been a descriptor before the second element in the connective. - Luke Bergen On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ryan Leach wrote: > I'm afraid that chapter just made me more confused when I first read it. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, komfo,amonan > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Ryan Leach wrote: > >> > >> I want to say "lemons and also oranges are both citrus fruits" > >> > >> The connective word system for lojban is still messing with my brain. > >> > >> I think it would go like this > >> > >> "le najnimre ja le pelnimre cu grute" > >> > >> but I'm not sure. Any help on the ands and such for lojban or a place > >> to look them up even? > > > > lo najnimre .e lo pelnimre cu nimre > > > > Connectives are covered in chapter 14 of the Complete Lojban Language < > > http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_grammar/chapter14.html >. > > > > mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan > > > > > > --0016e64ec9dac9ab1d0468ca8b90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable correct me if I'm wrong anybody but...

the way I understand it i= s that ja/je/jo/ju are used in connecting words in a tanru.=A0 So "lo = gerku je nakni" is a tanru (treated as a single sumti in the bridi) th= at means "the thing that is a dog and male" whereas if you had ju= st said "lo gerku nakni" you're being vague and are saying so= mething more like "the dog type-of male".

.a/.e/.o/.u is for saying "these two sumti fall into this place&qu= ot; but keeps them seperate.=A0 So "lo gerku .e nakni" would be &= quot;the dog and the male" not speaking of 1 thing but of two things.<= br>
finally ga/ge/gi/go/gu are just used for giving a reader/listener the k= nowledge that a logical connective is coming up, like "either A or B&q= uot; is "ga .abu gi by"

I'm not sure if in all these c= ases there should have been a descriptor before the second element in the c= onnective.

- Luke Bergen


On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Ryan Le= ach <rsw.leach@= gmail.com> wrote:
I'm afraid that chapter just made me more confused when I first read it= .

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:54 AM, komfo,amonan <komfoamonan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Ryan Leach <rsw.leach@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I want to say "lemons and also oranges are both citrus fruits= "
>>
>> The connective word system for lojban is still messing with my bra= in.
>>
>> I think it would go like this
>>
>> "le najnimre ja le pelnimre cu grute"
>>
>> but I'm not sure. Any help on the ands and such for lojban or = a place
>> to look them up even?
>
> lo najnimre .e lo pelnimre cu nimre
>
> Connectives are covered in chapter 14 of the Complete Lojban Language = <
> http://www.lojban.org/publications/reference_gr= ammar/chapter14.html >.
>
> mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
>




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