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Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:50:02 -0300
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On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

>> de'i li 14 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. tijlan .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra.
>>
>> > Is a fu'ivla of form "CCVCCCCV" valid?

Yes, provided the initial CC is a valid initial and the CCCC is a valid cluster.

>> > I couldn't find it on the "nice fu'ivla forms" list.

The definition of "nice" given in that page is: "nice fu'ivla forms
are those forms that don't contain VVV, CC/C or CCCC groups, which can
never appear in lujvo, and start with one or two consonants."

That's not exactly how I would define "nice" forms today, but the four
consonant cluster is the reason that form is not on the list. (Today I
would define "nice" as any fu'ivla that does not contain syllabic
consonants.)

> I'm not sure of xorxes's rules, but I think he would additionally require
> that the last CCC belong to a restricted set.

I would require that the last CCC be a valid initial, or that the
first CC of the CCCC cluster be a valid syllable. In other words,
"CCVCCCCV" has to consist of valid syllables, either two syllables
CCVC-CCCV or three CCV-CC-CCV.

> So he would allow "slabjgle"
> but not "tramtsto", whereas I would allow them both.

Right, because I don't take "tsto" to be a valid syllable (nor "mt",
nor "tramt"). "tratmsto" would be acceptable: tra-tm-sto.

mu'o mi'e xorxes