Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 14 May 2009 07:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cBW-0003Em-MX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:45:22 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.154]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4cBR-0003E7-EE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:45:22 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so3324618yxh.46 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=nIeSJj1csg669XDbi1zN6a4Cu7B6Z+yCr/6jK2h60KY=; b=vh7nWs1uzWhi6m+vGgKL+nWkOQJuhoD+KojiD5UIZt510O7SSmI1atu0JAb4YOA85X IKbzMJULJ+GFkaGwtYcqrk3Z0K9oXq1475TkDApP+9Zcz8DTCjgXrB8LGPmF5eATu7JD Y837s+HYdFoOnjUDiM/GILM1n4uIUlAO9pdf4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=WQbzevyoG496a0Fkh2LX33DhLY+SCDg2zF+B52xupb2ncpNIXQiRIF0v63IWQL8ZUd H2WNNnFvbErbz+sJalfN02ucbIGOF7SEcNTc4mClVz4ZV03EOS4YFresHnA+858mTlWS zvqG1RLS6Tj0e1GioGSx8NpRxDQLjW/gcrG20= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.10.15 with SMTP id 15mr3229062anj.8.1242312316160; Thu, 14 May 2009 07:45:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090514133625.GA4132@sdf.lonestar.org> References: <4de8c3930905131658t2a349af9w17ba5be09144571f@mail.gmail.com> <20090514003943.GA29600@sdf.lonestar.org> <200905140806.11369.phma@phma.optus.nu> <20090514133625.GA4132@sdf.lonestar.org> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 11:45:16 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560905140745r177b5948u80cba9c71754f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: CCVCCCCV From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1664 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1231 On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Minimiscience wrote: > de'i li 14 pi'e 05 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Pierre Abbat .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. >> I consider it to be valid if the first CC is an initial consonant pair, the >> other CCs are valid consonant pairs, and there is no "n[t|d][c|j|s|z]" in it. > .skamyxatra > > Are you sure that the "nd[jz]|nt[cs]" rule applies to {fu'ivla}?  Section 4.7 > of the CLL states, after the list of {fu'ivla} restrictions, "Note that > consonant triples or larger clusters that are not at the beginning of a fu'ivla > can be quite flexible, as long as all consonant pairs are permissible."  This > seems to imply that {fu'ivla} are exempt from this restriction and may contain > "ndj" etc. CLL is a bit unclear about some of these things. In principle phonotactic constraints are meant to apply to all words, including fu'ivla and cmevla, but then CLL has at least one cmevla example with "ndj" (djandjonz), listed as an erratum here: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=CLL%2C+aka+Reference+Grammar%2C+Errata > Has the BPFK said anything on this, or is it left vague? The BPFK has not said anything definitive on phonology/morphology yet. mu'o mi'e xorxes