Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 14 May 2009 18:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4m0a-0000X3-SJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:14:45 -0700 Received: from yx-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.44.156]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M4m0W-0000Wg-Pc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:14:44 -0700 Received: by yx-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 36so4124457yxh.46 for ; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=xsiGTE8fq37FmWpI1oO1s4SmJT9YlDClHUhtunyATLo=; b=uskojpsOJowcyKJBLq2uHsO66+xeq3ryhnI9AcUZR7eeL3L0MOeSvla3PQpURKoOkQ 01O7uMxGiuXyyrJO3tb23oFNBGKUW5TXRrhkByfsj28LjwECu/6BdQ4hXDedJBRWCPB6 KRIkWKXWPiTkCTGL5K+Jm35ef7eMvWa/g4EiI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZgGdc+UrBAbgakM4zq5WDYrMC6vDLsVvXHud/b1lCyQNhs4lKq0G8UyXeDw/405gsP zzID1rjpvkIZ4EpzNv0mGoX1J08JAmvVBEwWZPqZPE7UQNVqmLHjIfcaxEIIHsY0kxKi DgJdPezK9J4v0930QWb4S5qeKtvLDzOMmNZUo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.247.4 with SMTP id u4mr3900182anh.9.1242350079556; Thu, 14 May 2009 18:14:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930905141609p8060957tbdf16074d6b0760b@mail.gmail.com> References: <38c99b470905141344mbe1f38bw33bc26d1548746a3@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930905141609p8060957tbdf16074d6b0760b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:14:39 -0500 Message-ID: <38c99b470905141814s27b3b7a3o5f3ec33d0d2f7d20@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Anyone interested in Peacemaking and Linguistics? From: Carlos Gabriel Quiroz To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163662e63d2dd55b0469e92bf1 X-archive-position: 1669 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: quirozom@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 8258 --00163662e63d2dd55b0469e92bf1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the tip, I believe it will be useful. What are you studying / did you study / are working on by the way? On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM, tijlan wrote: > 2009/5/14 Carlos Gabriel Quiroz : > > > > Hello everyone, my name's Gabriel. I'm quite serious about becoming a > peace > > activist and my interest in Lojban is its potential for interpersonal > > conflict resolution, mediation, negotiations, etc. since I'm very > interested > > in the role of language and communication in conflict resolution and > peace > > making. Right now I'm learning all I can about Peace -building, -making, > > -keeping, Peace Theory, Peace Education, Peace Culture, nonviolence, > > community building, etc. everything involved with peace. I'd really > > appreciate it if anyone here has any books, articles, websites, > > documentaries to recommend. Naturally, I've read 1984 and am interested > in > > digging deeper. > > If anyone's interested in learning about peace, let me know and I'll > share > > with you sources and materials as I come by them. > > Here are some which I consider good to start with. Most of what I've been > > reading has been offline. > > Manifesto 2000 by UNESCO > > (a voluntary compromise) > > http://www3.unesco.org/manifesto2000/uk/uk_manifeste.htm > > > > Psychology for Peace Activists > > (it's a case study ebook on the steps peace activists go through, based > on > > american activists) > > http://www.culture-of-peace.info/ppa/title-page.html > > > > Nonviolence by Wikipedia > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence > > > > Thanks! Good luck! > > > Hi. I have been reading up on integral philosophy (e.g. Ken Wilber, > Jean Gebser, William Irwin Thompson, Michael Murphy), which seeks to > provide an understanding of the evolution of consciousness, culture, > and civilization. Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Ken > Wilber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber): > > ----------------------- > Levels or stages > > The concept of levels follows closely on the concept of lines of > development. The more highly developed you are in a particular line, > the higher level you are at in that line. Wilber's conception of the > level is clearly based on several theories of developmental > psychology, including: Piaget's theory of cognitive development, > Kohlberg's stages of moral development, Maslow's hierarchy of needs, > Erikson's stages of psychosocial development, and Jane Loevinger's > stages of ego development. > > One such scheme describes the ethical developmental line, for example: > > * Egocentric (similar to Carol Gilligan's 'Selfish' stage) > * Ethnocentric or Sociocentric (Gilligan's 'Care' stage) > * Worldcentric (Gilligan's 'Universal Care' stage) > * Being-centric (Gilligan's 'Integrated' stage) > ----------------------- > > If Lojban really helps to communicate in a less culturally specific > manner of thinking, there might be an interesting potential in this > language to bring along people from the ethnocentric stage onto the > worldcentric stage, which is considered to be the primary > psychological basis for seeking 'world peace'. But I'm still exploring > what Lojban can do either linguistically or psychologically (and > perhaps even its political implications), so there is little for me to > comment in definitive terms on the matter as of now. > > tijlan > > > > --00163662e63d2dd55b0469e92bf1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the tip, I believe it will be useful.

What ar= e you studying / did you study / are working on by the way?

<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 6:09 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com= > wrote:
2009/5/14 Carlos Gabriel Quiroz <quirozom@gmail.com>:
>
> Hello everyone, my name's Gabriel. I'm quite serious about bec= oming a peace
> activist and my interest in Lojban is its potential for interpersonal<= br> > conflict resolution, mediation, negotiations, etc. since I'm very = interested
> in the role of language and communication in conflict resolution and p= eace
> making. Right now I'm learning all I can about Peace -building, -m= aking,
> -keeping, Peace Theory, Peace Education, Peace Culture, nonviolence, > community building, etc. everything involved with peace. I'd reall= y
> appreciate it if anyone here has any books, articles, websites,
> documentaries to recommend. Naturally, I've read 1984 and am inter= ested in
> digging deeper.
> If anyone's interested in learning about peace, let me know and I&= #39;ll share
> with you sources and materials as I come by them.
> Here are some which I consider good to start with. Most of what I'= ve been
> reading has been offline.
> Manifesto 2000 by UNESCO
> (a voluntary compromise)
> http://www3.unesco.org/manifesto2000/uk/uk_manifeste.htm
>
> Psychology for Peace Activists
> (it's a case study ebook on the steps peace activists go through, = based on
> american activists)
> http://www.culture-of-peace.info/ppa/title-page.html
>
> Nonviolence by Wikipedia
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence
>
> Thanks! Good luck!


Hi. I have been reading up on integral philosophy (e.g. Ken Wil= ber,
Jean Gebser, William Irwin Thompson, Michael Murphy), which seeks to
provide an understanding of the evolution of consciousness, culture,
and civilization. Here's an excerpt from the Wikipedia article on Ken Wilber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Wilber):

-----------------------
Levels or stages

The concept of levels follows closely on the concept of lines of
development. The more highly developed you are in a particular line,
the higher level you are at in that line. Wilber's conception of the level is clearly based on several theories of developmental
psychology, including: Piaget's theory of cognitive development,
Kohlberg's stages of moral development, Maslow's hierarchy of needs= ,
Erikson's stages of psychosocial development, and Jane Loevinger's<= br> stages of ego development.

One such scheme describes the ethical developmental line, for example:

=A0 =A0* Egocentric (similar to Carol Gilligan's 'Selfish' sta= ge)
=A0 =A0* Ethnocentric or Sociocentric (Gilligan's 'Care' stage= )
=A0 =A0* Worldcentric (Gilligan's 'Universal Care' stage)
=A0 =A0* Being-centric (Gilligan's 'Integrated' stage)
-----------------------

If Lojban really helps to communicate in a less culturally specific
manner of thinking, there might be an interesting potential in this
language to bring along people from the ethnocentric stage onto the
worldcentric stage, which is considered to be the primary
psychological basis for seeking 'world peace'. But I'm still ex= ploring
what Lojban can do either linguistically or psychologically (and
perhaps even its political implications), so there is little for me to
comment in definitive terms on the matter as of now.

tijlan




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