Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 22 May 2009 14:13:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M7c31-0003Fd-OB for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:13:00 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.220.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M7c2y-0003DO-5F for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:12:59 -0700 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so1784934fxm.34 for ; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:12:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JxkYivJwAQIa181hh+vfEMzyHmpGGLdcYi3B9J7xPuE=; b=cSQs4K/xa8Z5AhvH7m1AKEChCbMRZi4Gph1oAaX5lf33NwlVHi5tYwl/W/LJtuijly 2yQVYVUVnqY4FCEKfr+nrPvIK72kfsl45Q4YkkpZ6YG5d26zya6jdbx0UD4GCq+tx1XJ zeNEMNRvc4HpcFTUbV3yb+n/djawx+diDYlQw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lGzWtoEFDBGBtj12NFRy/ODpkujS1qeGBGTvPaqbe6leiZAU06qouTW6PABqNAkj+w BFV49f/x9b7C9uyrXIuIyuw54jHlOoN1a3EV0JZSw/JS4GuVjGEbrOti0W/qbJ7Xiywy LLRGFAkKlJczQC8KL/uyQ25XBy/6IpuyVmVUs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.197.14 with SMTP id z14mr2212083mup.92.1243026769080; Fri, 22 May 2009 14:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 23:12:49 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5ce3e3e275fe51a9 Message-ID: <4de8c3930905221412s401d39d4o1137050f283fccca@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Adjectival predicative From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1697 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 691 "Angry" as in "He seems angry" is linguistically called "adjectival predicative of the subject", supplementing "he". This may be expressed in Lojban as a seltau with little confusion: ko'a fengu simlu. There is another type called "adjectival predicative of the object", as "white" in "He painted the door white", supplementing "the door" rather than "he". How would Lojban express this, maintaining the exclusive relation between "the door" and "white" (which cannot be realized with a tanru), without turning the predicative into an argument/sumti (so no "ko'a broda lo vorme lo blabi")? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Predicative_(adjectival_or_nominal) mu'o se ckire spuda mi'e tijlan