Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 May 2009 10:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9MtE-0006Ma-9U for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:26:08 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f165.google.com ([209.85.219.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9Mt9-0006Lh-Jx for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:26:08 -0700 Received: by ewy9 with SMTP id 9so4230655ewy.34 for ; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:25:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FNYJj4iMVqGApHao9ejAlZENJaxH+asWVqyGskmRkKU=; b=CdlDPOKVCZCyb0MeGphbv4/G1gVtmWfGJCEOlnTDWbGdxYB65OK9IO+Eq8MOTK0cep IQEk8u+xpUsLevfvI04jxicOrWGLkcvwvVOImtdb0sUAuMy59NVXs+LbJZUDASJSvEbH /KE6tB9MEn4P8J/BxYShlm34ogyl4GM1HiLTc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=jwAQXH5dGBp6WJXnRy+VTTJceO0hv40QkHPEoRZG3ICFpqVib9MfoKahVyh2kMpxWD jV3YDQPJigPmb40CId8gyo51WWD5zvPE6S1rBTdCiVGWFvgiVxG8MEaHCR310pJIsR+5 v+6xX6MWBt7KP8ZjcQm1xJuy4Cc/If/hlL6Dg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.92.8 with SMTP id p8mr1944125ebb.9.1243445156932; Wed, 27 May 2009 10:25:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930905270816v7e9644d7x505af2bbc8e52f48@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905270015q32fd7327t299c27d2fe200deb@mail.gmail.com> <200905270907.33066.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17560905270652r5411eccfm52442cbb2d405b9b@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930905270816v7e9644d7x505af2bbc8e52f48@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 14:25:56 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560905271025i4127bfd7h254f2be1eea2a8e2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: 1 x 2 x 3 cms From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1713 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1272 On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:16 PM, tijlan wrote: > 2009/5/27 Jorge Llambías : >>>> >>>>  centre nu'i li pa lo sraji nu'u je li re lo pinta nu'u je li ci lo >>>> conda'o [nu'u] >> >> Add "pe'e" in front of each "je". Termsets are ugly. > > According to CLL14:11: > > "Forethought termsets also exist, and use ``nu'i'' of selma'o NUhI to > signal the beginning and ``nu'u'' of selma'o NUhU (an elidable > terminator) to signal the end. Nothing is inserted between the > individual terms: they simply sit side-by-side." > > So I thought "li pa lo sraji" and "li re lo pinta" and the other could > sit side-by-side without "pe'e". There is nothing between the terms inside each termset, "li pa" and "lo sraji", "li re" and "lo pinta", "li ci" and "lo conda'o".. > The book also gives this example: > > 11.7)    mi klama nu'i ge le zarci le briju >        nu'u gi le zdani le ckule [nu'u] >    I go [start termset] both to-the market from-the office >        [joint] and to-the house from-the school >        [end termset]. > > No "pe'e". Or does this have to do with the connective being > forethought (whereas "je" in my example is afterthought)? Right. "pe'e je" is the afterthought connective for termsets. mu'o mi'e xorxes