Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9oAz-0004wG-Iw for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:18 -0700 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com ([74.125.46.157]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1M9oAv-0004vE-KW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:17 -0700 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so20293451ywm.46 for ; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=5yY91AgN+9EjkC4IvMjUH84jtDnmb3eNiglI9w55Mic=; b=YyHW3NoPKFDn6UQibVxLo8cS3z/v17EjX+VsCz6+P7BpMFQ0UPjOSyQ78Vds2LnYh7 yFrqF1AVoLeoFEpxU8Kqzjogmxm0ktqX7Qu8O50XeUBYE37jC8JVIBqhZyouX5SPhvcg zUFODfjHMW3k9H4noE6OZrXzTVLSY/Bve4imA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=sbkhPV0n0r8bnirRytSF4GHrxbRE30fUBJiFVMN2BrxV93znNiemdL1hUy6XIkvzco 31v3EJ/jbAOZZIu+qjKKGjHjDI6G8Sz1OVs4FMx7VtNcrv93QXVX1m9FQsmHETjdEHFe 7k/tJJJ/Y6ypnGlNvdVV9/GHYwENwnTspZ3jk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.93.19 with SMTP id q19mr3126210anb.29.1243550052277; Thu, 28 May 2009 15:34:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3930905281402n4d1d07e7yfb4cb08618312c17@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905281402n4d1d07e7yfb4cb08618312c17@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 19:34:12 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560905281534x4d3be63do9127fc24a34da867@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: jo'u From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 1717 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 577 On 5/28/09, tijlan wrote: > Is "lo kukte ke plise jo'u narju" the same as "lo kukte plise ku jo'u > lo kukte narju"? (The grouping will be the same without that "ke".) I don't see any significant difference in meaning in this case. In general however, it won't be the case that "lo broda brode jo'u brodi" is the same as "lo broda brode jo'u lo broda brodi". It only works when broda is a distributive modifier. Even in this case, it could be only their combination which is delicious, so that the distributed form is more specific. mu'o mi'e xorxes