Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MD0wn-0000OM-SM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:48:56 -0700 Received: from mail-bw0-f223.google.com ([209.85.218.223]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MD0wY-0000Nu-Px for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:48:52 -0700 Received: by bwz23 with SMTP id 23so1872006bwz.34 for ; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:48:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=qVe+VGGLhNNw2mtq2IdaIKaDLuke83M4JAdDtWu8wmE=; b=GLkb0lNndWRtgPV/2qk7WVcacdNBzkh7nIirXCkarza9Ohq0k2Zg5Dmzm8nnIfReng skYK8kaFGIPcMlXRw8BmqcOgSpAIdb5uAt/gqlhflxS4ZI779NTsrgB7D1FoF+biuZmY It91ob1YJ3cDyn4NNoxdLMzqWLMNGCHG4AoEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=fpgTUGHnqDrbw0ztG1B2qRlxPE9OUmzqm7pDZ00nBu4npe8rW5cSblR5bmshM4Nktm Sko8HChuxutTXOt6XKbEWZme9CAmfBPcHgEr92amL6EKTX4UhHETYpM6fHmxZ+OBsp8Q 3Oz2yX2YyukYXj9xxrOgSnEhNX7HL1ANsNdZg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.114.74 with SMTP id d10mr2773711faq.87.1244314107918; Sat, 06 Jun 2009 11:48:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300906060859v34e2d2b7m2f0a06e119f44004@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930906060326h6efa660fmc9b38e59ecab7322@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906060719l3e18d7ebwf6a83aab7bdec4c@mail.gmail.com> <4de8c3930906060827g5cf37f5k9f7c2c606d57d23@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300906060859v34e2d2b7m2f0a06e119f44004@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 20:48:27 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8258538606d0ab62 Message-ID: <4de8c3930906061148g229a7862qd45254d0264cf4be@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: nu'a pi'i From: tijlan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1781 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jbotijlan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 800 2009/6/6 Luke Bergen : >> ti fo li so'o nandu zmadu ta > > when you do it like this doesn't this come to "ti (x1) fo li so'o (x4) nandu > zmadu ta (x5)"?  Which doesn't seem to make sense since zmadu doesn't have > an x5.  This happens because when using a selma'o FA every place that comes > after that is incrimenting from the last FA that you used eg. "da klama fi > de di do" has the meaning "da(x1) comes/goes from origin de(x3) via route > do(x4)" completely skipping over the x2 place. According to jbofi'e, "ta" in my example is x2. This probably has to do with the fact that the main selbri intervenes between the two sumti. When it's other than the selbri, the latter sumti is counted consecutively e.g. in "da fo de ca ku di broda", "di" is x5. mu'o mi'e tijlan