Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDBV-0000hD-Ir for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:40:46 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MCDBN-0000ed-TM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:40:44 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so476085qwc.58 for ; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:40:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zTUJTITGZSWmqrfPfqNhWXr0G5zQ1Vd9zdRUfQsHgoY=; b=EbXNdoXMjLajh6jkMSJyKZwgNfIk5g51Xm6a2ovo0psncVaDHtbFSDCREDTNMaCOm/ F0oxg+k3IslShqBw5vgHVwMSnReZHU+V3B35ZvMlL/4Fdo9YaSJJcnW79pTZCyTgiVmS Kp3j56+zXuYyaugMA6lHlZuUUjl8ufVE8edlY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=hYzEIHJsu2p4KXjg4pKBFCRcwH4J0zEmHuDs46jeiMkHxXCNdSQoujEWUzf9Rchvc7 oepqefRwJ3E3Z12utvp5nwIBF+X3EeTQJXH0GGKHKl1KAVJDOs3DfFP2Rmv2YTVmfG25 V7ZTeQ1bLDfW+faiXGbJXtCe9vDxpE67PXwyU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.122.3 with SMTP id z3mr3671152ybm.118.1244122835786; Thu, 04 Jun 2009 06:40:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560906010539m2be6b21dg6008b8865668a909@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930905311309u20c6e72xffaa964ae140d208@mail.gmail.com> <20090531202510.GA13449@sdf.lonestar.org> <4de8c3930905311402s14e9d50y3b35466d51b4f25f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560906010539m2be6b21dg6008b8865668a909@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 09:40:35 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60906040640q6a9d21c7rc2ec597d190576ac@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: broda moi From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 1766 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 731 2009/6/1 Jorge Llambías : > On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 6:02 PM, tijlan wrote: >>I suppose "da me lo broda moi" or "lo me lo broda moi cu brode" is >>valid. >> What is the rationale for permitting {me da}, which as a whole is a >> selbri, before {moi}? > .uecai mi ca pare'u djuno lo du'u go'e .i ma jibni xe fanva su'opa le jufra be fi la lojban la gliban .i xu le terge'a cu zvati lo kakne be lo nu lo remna cu tcidu ce'u be'o pagbu be la cylylyl. .i fau da'i lo nu go'i kei ma se diklo (!! First I'm hearing of this. What would be the approximate English translation of one or both of the lojbanic setences? Is this construct in the CLL? If so, where?) --gejyspa