Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:22:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MKbbZ-0004wB-Ow for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:22:21 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MKbbS-0004vx-9R for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:22:21 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n5RHM3Tt009102 for ; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:22:03 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n5RHM2ng027412 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:22:03 GMT Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 17:22:02 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Dictionary output Message-ID: <20090627172158.GA26933@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1887 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1371 de'i li 27 pi'e 06 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. Johan Pretorius .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > What does clanyvalsi mean? According to the rules given by xorxes, it breaks > down into clan-y-valsi, right? Except I can't find the rafsi clan anywhere, > the closest I get is cla, from the gismu clani (long). If this is the right > one, howcome does it have the extra "n"? .skamyxatra The word lists only give the short {rafsi} (those with three letters, not counting apostrophes) for words; every {gismu} also has two long {rafsi}: itself (only valid at the end of a {lujvo}) and itself minus the final vowel (only valid at the beginning or middle of a {lujvo} when followed by a 'y'). Hence, "{clanyvalsi}" does mean "long word." I created a webpage for creating & splitting apart {lujvo}, which can be found at . > Am I right in surmising that the rules of morphology will be such that a > rafsi can never be confused for a cmavo? Yes > And what is this "Book"? It sounds interesting, like I should read it at > some stage :-) *The Complete Lojban Language* by John Woldemar Cowan, the official description of every aspect of Lojban other than the word lists. It can be read for free online at . mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- le munje vi smaji