Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMNCs-00042p-SP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:24:11 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f202.google.com ([209.85.212.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MMNCl-00041m-Mk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:24:10 -0700 Received: by vwj40 with SMTP id 40so943819vwj.28 for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:23:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=fT3AaskK+9aJwvZk3kn+6hiIrmeHCbPR1KHKZSIv4gE=; b=JJdcd3aOyzdIxA1RQQ2QO20ETDyfhC2N6zUyHo/FDtOCTXAfoxmF1rpNUObaXWrGIs GwjMxHIHOfI0c6kXj4J0L4+sUnEuEFgz5OcUwgtSgucmAUs5jC9Eynxlbd1sa+6XPYHw wxzMsRKXU4Oer+xaHSFSUcH09sug7d94jCDKU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=mVExlQ6TRmpbJg9XhPm9daUB0/6ClL4AxQSCO0CPkMZtAM0B6eWbeWgHSp34N5TE7c 2Fut0SCR0gzKy2hRiDk7r8Aobd/c1FLPFCFc8pf/HBpbjRByjCY9oUXCC/9Iiyg7FRGP NpxQaag3BGWv4b8LtgWlG35AefaXMiyXKMY6A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.77.79 with SMTP id f15mr265858vck.2.1246544637453; Thu, 02 Jul 2009 07:23:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60907020712k2545766cx8150cdd81481aba6@mail.gmail.com> References: <96f789a60907010505n290d6dc8re1a23ba18f7a4d21@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907010551s4e891ddckd05914a4f4276f8a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907010801s80af284see3da3198e7d248f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560907020526j58e3af49w5de474478ed8083f@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60907020712k2545766cx8150cdd81481aba6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300907020723u3d9a1f52lef5639f8e0eda881@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xorlo quanitifiers From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64c0a864fead9046db9ca03 X-archive-position: 1923 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 5930 --0016e64c0a864fead9046db9ca03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm swelling with pride that following along in this conversation I've been mostly right about what's been said. o'acai mi cilre ja'e mi na'e mulno snada (I'm sure there's a better way to say that last bit) - Luke Bergen On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > ko sanji doi semiul. lo du'u la xorxes mi na tugni la'e do'i .i mi > jinvi lo du'u pa cmevla noi panra pa drata cemvla goi ko'a lo ka > selbasna ku'o drata ko'a seni'i lo du'u vo'a joi ko'a cmene lo su'o > re mei > --gejyspa > > (and before I drive off any (more?) beginners, since this is a > beginners list, I'll briefly recap some the dialogue.... > Samuel is teaching a class of 25 students in his summer camp the > language lojban. Being that he feels that his level of lojban isn't > expert, he wants to ask a few questions as they come up. One question > that came up was how to express "Justin" in lojban > since both vowel sounds (short u and schwa) are represented the same > in lojban -"y", and furthermore, the rules of lojban state that "y" > must always be unstressed, whereas the English name should be stressed > on the first syllable. Xorxes stated that it doesn't really matter > which syllable is stressed, the words would be the same (just like > with cmavo, and unlike brivla), and I am currently advising Samuel > that Xorxes and I have disagreed about this in the past, that I > believe that stress can be and is a distinguishing feature in cmevla > as well. Okay, as you were, beginners....) > > > On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Bader wrote= : > > ki'e xorxes. > > > > mu'o mi'e .semiul. > > > > 2009/7/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas > >> > >> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Sam Bader > wrote: > >> > .a'i.i'o > >> > zo DJYStyn. zo djysTYN. mintu lo ka sinxa lo valsi kei .enai lo ka > >> > selbasna > >> > .ixu no le re cmene cu mintu zo djystyn. lo ka selbasna .iri'abo no = le > >> > slaka > >> > pe zo djystyn. cu selbasna vau xu > >> > >> .i do tavla fi vei pa .enai re cmene .i do zifre lo nu basna lo pa moi > >> slaka .a lo re moi slaka .a ro lo re slaka .a no lo re slaka vu'o pe > >> le pa cmene po'u zo djystyn no'u zo DJYStyn no'u zo djysTYN > >> > >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > --0016e64c0a864fead9046db9ca03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm swelling with pride that following along in this conversation I'= ;ve been mostly right about what's been said.=A0

o'acai mi = cilre ja'e mi na'e mulno snada

(I'm sure there's a b= etter way to say that last bit)

- Luke Bergen


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Michael= Turniansky <= mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
ko sanji doi semiul. lo du'u la xorxes mi na tugni la'e do'i .i= mi
jinvi lo du'u pa cmevla noi panra pa drata cemvla goi ko'a lo ka selbasna =A0ku'o drata ko'a seni'i lo du'u vo'a joi ko&= #39;a cmene lo su'o
re mei
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa

(and before I drive off any (more?) beginners, since this is a
beginners list, I'll briefly recap some the dialogue....
Samuel is teaching a class of 25 students in his summer camp the
language lojban. =A0Being that he feels that his level of lojban isn't<= br> expert, he wants to ask a few questions as they come up. =A0One question that came up was how to express "Justin" in lojban
since both vowel sounds (short u and schwa) are represented the same
in lojban -"y", and furthermore, the rules of lojban state that &= quot;y"
must always be unstressed, whereas the English name should be stressed
on the first syllable. =A0Xorxes stated that it doesn't really matter which syllable is stressed, the words would be the same (just like
with cmavo, and unlike brivla), and I am currently advising Samuel
that Xorxes and I have disagreed about this in the past, that I
believe that stress can be and is a distinguishing feature in cmevla
as well. =A0Okay, as you were, beginners....)


On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Sam Bader<awesomeegghead@gmail.com> wrote:
> ki'e xorxes.
>
> mu'o mi'e .semiul.
>
> 2009/7/2 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:36 PM, Sam Bader<awesomeegghead@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > .a'i.i'o
>> > zo DJYStyn. zo djysTYN. mintu lo ka sinxa lo valsi kei .enai = lo ka
>> > selbasna
>> > .ixu no le re cmene cu mintu zo djystyn. lo ka selbasna .iri&= #39;abo no le
>> > slaka
>> > pe zo djystyn. cu selbasna vau xu
>>
>> .i do tavla fi vei pa .enai re cmene .i do zifre lo nu basna lo pa= moi
>> slaka .a lo re moi slaka .a ro lo re slaka .a no lo re slaka vu= 9;o pe
>> le pa cmene po'u zo djystyn no'u zo DJYStyn no'u zo dj= ysTYN
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
>>
>>
>
>




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