Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:06:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTksr-0004ic-Bc for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:06:01 -0700 Received: from ol.freeshell.org ([192.94.73.20] helo=sdf.lonestar.org) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MTksn-0004iR-JY for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:06:01 -0700 Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@iceland.freeshell.org [192.94.73.5]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id n6MN5stZ025825 for ; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:05:54 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id n6MN5rSe003309 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:05:53 GMT Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 23:05:53 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Using lojban in SF Message-ID: <20090722230547.GA28400@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org References: <7177e42e0907221528q5b1de353i99bb3e6d4158671e@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7177e42e0907221528q5b1de353i99bb3e6d4158671e@mail.gmail.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) X-archive-position: 1945 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1176 de'i li 22 pi'e 07 pi'e 2009 la'o fy. DataPacRat .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > For example, to tell a computer to turn on the lights and open > something, would "Doi, Skami. I ko gusni. I ko kalri.", with the > computer responding "Viho.", be reasonably close to Lojban? .skamyxatra Ignoring the orthographical modifications, while that is perfectly valid Lojban, it does not say what you wanted it to say. Literally, it means "Computer: Be illumination. Be open." A more accurate translation of the English would be "{doi skami .i ko gusygau .i ko kargau}," which roughly means "Computer: Cause light. Cause openness." > For 'hey, swarmcloak, add a kilt', how close is "Doi, Girkosta. I ko fi > skaci." That is invalid and arguably nonsensical. If you meant to type "{doi girkosta .i ko finti lo skaci}," that would be correct, though "{zbasu}" ("assemble") would be a far more appropriate choice than "{finti}" ("invent"). > for 'hey, swarmcloak, light up the direction I'm looking at', "Doi, Girkosta. > I ko gusni farcta mi."? "Light-type-of-direction-look at me"? Use Pierre's suggestion instead. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- lo paroi cumki cu rere'u cumki