Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:15:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVRuv-0000KJ-5F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:15:09 -0700 Received: from web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.37.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVRul-0000Hj-C6 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:15:08 -0700 Received: (qmail 75660 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Jul 2009 15:14:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1248707693; bh=hQuaNf5zGB0pZQ0nZBWmcoldiIk/8+Hl9VDthukcYr8=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=LKIWC+ifj9ga2HqjAqco6yLoI4JNiyuHuZruiElP382miQItFag7/tisIqh6lCdXkqTuJkBNy03HsBMmJua6HUOk35JLA78CyI55/GbNJYofTSk4otPuUCG7mVGMaRv2VgGdTgWaHhZ70tH4gEDSaKw7HKw1VwEdlw6xrPnv84o= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sT0hoWaP3sgpB2T030vNcLtdgT/ba5VVxDz8NOr73QTJC8oazIR4jns5JC0Xr3APz2OK8iMkf/oNiDkX0xKtbh6114LcwPw9xa1p+G9lR/xS2XjmpgJFI/EzsiDk8jwC3plHrjiPShn1wyg6q3wTzuxy7OEqkoG6ejyhE2SfYYo=; Message-ID: <163868.74620.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Nwva2oUVM1ms.xoszBHRt1KLnNWsIQLjqXS37GBZxXFZazPAKai88pJAL1uBPIyPGc.7PBXtIQ7oKc9mGzzcyvBcBLiafqEFOxdk1KdJ9rneB3Q5DJslO6Pm.pXnyOdSGsORJliOa4UJ3QDv5oqNjau0HtLjARN5vC12anJMzBia85MVAUEMtVkyElNfQUfnOVe_CPZNqSHhbOlQXJULrxD6M8922PGo3zNeHNAazN11jKsKirLALO.LYhNoqRZlitEl94t3KBeiCxoJf.e8Vi120PAm5MD1M5f7gK1umEw2D9NlDg7lJ0y9eWT62iC89h6N Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:14:53 PDT References: <5715b9300907261631t78611980ja39d24232e297906@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2009 08:14:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: zbasu, finti, and cupra To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <5715b9300907261631t78611980ja39d24232e297906@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-485044100-1248707693=:74620" X-archive-position: 1953 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: totus@rogers.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 4892 --0-485044100-1248707693=:74620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A=0A=0A>=0A>From: Luke Bergen =0A>To: lojban-begin= ners@lojban.org=0A>Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:31:59 PM=0A>Subject: [lojb= an-beginners] zbasu, finti, and cupra=0A>=0A>I was working on learning the = gismu when I found {cupra} which is defined as:=0A>=A0cupra=A0=A0=A0=A0 pra= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 produce=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 x1 produces x2 [product= ] by process x3=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 8f=A0 22=A0=A0=A0 (cf. zbasu, farvi= , gundi, jukpa)=0A>=0A>Now, how does this differ from {finti} and {zbasu}?= =0A>=0A>=0A>Cars are assembled repetitively from sub-assemblies and compone= ts (zbasu).=0A>Gasoline/petrol is produced=A0by a continuous process (cupra= ).=0A>Paintings (usually) are created once only and are unique (finti).=0A>= =0A>There are of course an infinite number of 'in-between' situations.=A0 T= he challenge =0A>then in lojban is the same as in anyother language.=A0 Eit= her special terms like =0A>'batch processing' are invented, or whole senten= ces are needed to facilitate =0A>understanding.=0A>=0A>mu'o mi'e andrus --0-485044100-1248707693=:74620 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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From: Lu= ke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2009 7:31:59 PM
Subject: [lojban-beginners] zbasu, f= inti, and cupra

I was working on learning the gismu when I fo= und {cupra} which is defined as:
 cupra     pra=       produce      &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;   x1 produces x2 [product] by process x3            =             &nb= sp;            =             &nb= sp;         8f  22  =   (cf. zbasu, farvi, gundi, jukpa)

Now, how does this differ fr= om {finti} and {zbasu}?

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Cars are asse= mbled repetitively from sub-assemblies and componets (zbasu).
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Gasoline/petrol is produced by a continuous process (cupra).=0A
Paintings (usually) are created once only and are unique (fin= ti).
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There are of course an infi= nite number of 'in-between' situations.  The challenge
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then in lojban is the same as in anyother language.  Either specia= l terms like
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'batch processing' are invented, or whole s= entences are needed to facilitate
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understanding.
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mu'o mi'e andrus
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