Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mkrg5-0005N6-Nx for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:47:33 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mkrft-0005LD-RW for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 20:47:31 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090908034714287.UYCU29089@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Tue, 8 Sep 2009 03:47:14 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76DC23952 for ; Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:47:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: help with lujvo kilga'axa'i Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 23:47:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909072347.10248.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2241 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1098 On Monday 07 September 2009 22:54:09 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/7/2009 22:42:59 Eastern Daylight Time, > > henka.stickebana@gmail.com writes: > > I would never used such a huge piece of steel to crack a nut. > > The Lojban word refers to an implement with a certain function, namely a > lever of sorts, if I remember the conversation right. It's only the > English which distinguishes between the two. So, while one wouldn't use > the same kind of implement for the two purposes, in Lojban they are two > kinds of the same implement, while in English they are different kinds of > implement. Correct. I mean the tool for removing nutmeat, not the nutcracker. The Lojban word refers to a lever with a pointy end used as a wedge. The tool I've seen called a crowbar is a piece of steel about 1 m long, 1 cm thick, and 6 cm wide, with one end bent and sharpened, often with a notch in the middle of that end for, I think, removing nails. The sharp end is stuck in a crack and used to pry something apart. ta'o doi maikas. xu do se bangu lo plaukani? Pierre