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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:42:38 +0200
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban for beginners
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2009/9/10 Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
> On Wednesday 09 September 2009 20:34:11 MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote:
>> I think you have misunderstood.
>> I interpret the comment to mean that the combination of "facki" (discover)
>> and "cnino" (new) is redundant.  If something is discovered, it's new, and
>> that fact doesn't need to be stated explicitly; it's inherent in the
>> meaning of "facki".
>> I think I agree.
>
> lo se facki could be not new. It could be merely previously unknown to le
> facki.

The definition of "cnino" includes "x1 is unfamiliar to observer x2
..." as well as "x1 is new to observer x2 ...". And we can assume that
"unfamiliar" in this sense is the same as "unknown". In view of this,
if X is unknown, X must be new in the sense that it is unfamiliar i.e.
"cnino". I think what you mean by "new" in your comment is "citno".
"facki lo citno" is not be pleonastic. But "facki lo cnino" is.


tijlan