Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:25:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MloKS-0003qM-BA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:25:08 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com ([209.85.211.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MloKM-0003mV-Sz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:25:08 -0700 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so540658ywh.30 for ; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:24:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=j5rxcXSRhkQJD8bBVIde8vfUeIQb7QM6wDYEDt4lFz0=; b=wwWTLoXkQd1p0OJ/7yCTrDAuEHq43jovUnXO1+t8AGh7+qyBLjz4YhPH15F09VhNdC 3Or0APE0ds+w3a/JYYncMY3ipOqRR19ItZhX10O7xSJRhn/ycvUZ5gvQmPvpYTM0Of7C exLk4355q1ezAy4/ZzbfHTwwq5abW36PFbhpA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=DC+omanmGBxxL3n4yC+NlBQO1xBfNQTTOCpEfZAQbC4fiEttfIq0VADP/WSDWFhrXp xDnn2JiRQ85QY8IcWGWGcMLmaFFUoD/hQoaNNqgH25IPsQ9ygotwsHijtGRqvuU0OlYm Kwb0WRBVQ7WpdEJkaMZCcMDD5EvjIUQSWOVIM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.235.5 with SMTP id i5mr3207414ybh.271.1252607096137; Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:24:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560909101047r768c7699u7ced9fd918b6e078@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300909100844p3ec611a9hc8ee25e22b68175d@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909100948m252a3e8blf2d4989f3b199787@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909101010j57bdbc72xd3a4975394fb418e@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909101029o5116775bmc8754ebba922b866@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909101037s1431f0cahffbc0733e7d9b973@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909101047r768c7699u7ced9fd918b6e078@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:24:55 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909101124o7a2ae957o1ea18621f6084169@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: kecti From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd353e802281604733d519c X-archive-position: 2300 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 2298 --000e0cd353e802281604733d519c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So (object)? I'm pretty sure I've seen that used a lot in the gismu definitions. Is it possible to make it any more generic than that? Is there no way to feel sorry for an event or a property? I'm thinking not. 2009/9/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > .... you're right. Damn english. Then I guess what tiljan said > "sentient > > being" or something. But even then, can I pity a plant that's shriveli= ng > up > > because it has no sunlight? Maybe (living being)? > > Isn't it also possible to feel sorry for a house that is about to be > demolished, for example? Anything we can project out emotions into > will do, I think. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > --000e0cd353e802281604733d519c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So (object)?=A0 I'm pretty sure I've seen that used a lot in the gi= smu definitions.

Is it possible to make it any more generic than tha= t?=A0 Is there no way to feel sorry for an event or a property?=A0 I'm = thinking not.

2009/9/10 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> .... you're right.=A0 Damn english.=A0 Then I guess what tiljan sa= id "sentient
> being" or something.=A0 But even then, can I pity a plant that= 9;s shriveling up
> because it has no sunlight?=A0 Maybe (living being)?

Isn't it also possible to feel sorry for a house that is about to= be
demolished, for example? Anything we can project out emotions into
will do, I think.

mu'o mi'e xorxes




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