Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:38:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mndqo-000315-UF for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:38:07 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f211.google.com ([209.85.220.211]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mndqk-00030F-SK for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:38:06 -0700 Received: by fxm7 with SMTP id 7so3041850fxm.34 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:37:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=9y+2LEax7JB9Om8SpP5VULsNIi8ROe5N5NAVZpK59GY=; b=cXnAbAz/t/88+wzXUYbh3qNeupHN2WmBzuaNocZM5CYbM8w9kuWFitxP2edjE04woe OS3UTGyBBSgec1gmoS9xwG5O3lRwg3bvSQC6UXLjbvXuQGat/mWGvsqd284wKNwsw3T2 lHYvGn1JcD3oJrNVo/5PwTdFx75mFQjtGb7iQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=qGEGuXCdAcyZWVl0SrV4iMzyvnlhtIYySzjseBXg1NpW1VFTb20hwkL3nw65mKqCwd xUogpg/lIHWXB52FQYIXnVzHHsCvMH1rtcdFOOzY9FSVuLjxg7ocLYH20fQG626i6aUh Wkj/zGSC/IDksQfpWXlnjLQ2QQFBj29F9Po/k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.179.81 with SMTP id c17mr752850hbg.158.1253043475984; Tue, 15 Sep 2009 12:37:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <425e4ac20909151210k4d7c1ef2v253bc0f7913a1d81@mail.gmail.com> References: <13135.87.160.164.12.1253040352.squirrel@webmail8.pair.com> <425e4ac20909151210k4d7c1ef2v253bc0f7913a1d81@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 15:37:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 71173ec4a120e450 Message-ID: <12d58c160909151237w29fd56fl3d7aee5766efb613@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Can you translate this for me? From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f792bc4632930473a2eb00 X-archive-position: 2347 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: komfoamonan@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1794 --001485f792bc4632930473a2eb00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > .i do cirko ro do seldju .e ro do selmo'i .e ro do tertoi > .i ki'u bo do bredi lo nu se galfi lo denpa vanbi be do > Not to be churlish, but this is why I am uncomfortable with the shortcut {lo broda pe ko'a} == {lo ko'a broda}. In the bridi above, you're modeling {*ro do seldju} after {lo do seldju}. But when you do that, {do} actually binds with {ro}, & the bridi is ungrammatical. So you need {ro lo do seldju} or {ro seldju pe do}. And perhaps {ro seldju be do} is better, if you're not trying to make a distinction with the previous utterance. Also, -dju- is the rafsi for {sidju}; all those {seldju} should be {selju'o}. [ /rant ] mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --001485f792bc4632930473a2eb00 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
.i do cirko ro do= seldju .e ro do selmo'i .e ro do tertoi
.i ki'u bo do bredi lo nu se galfi lo denpa vanbi be do

Not to be churlish, but this is why I am uncomfortable with the shortc= ut {lo broda pe ko'a} =3D=3D {lo ko'a broda}. In the bridi above, y= ou're modeling {*ro do seldju} after {lo do seldju}. But when you do th= at, {do} actually binds with {ro}, & the bridi is ungrammatical. So you= need {ro lo do seldju} or {ro seldju pe do}. And perhaps {ro seldju be do}= is better, if you're not trying to make a distinction with the previou= s utterance.

Also, -dju- is the rafsi for {sidju}; all those {seldju} should be {sel= ju'o}. [ /rant ]

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan
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