Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:24:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MofJx-0008TI-IJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:24:25 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MofJs-0008St-FE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:24:25 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090918152413985.SWIU17198@cdptpa-omta04.mail.rr.com> for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 15:24:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D65ED643 for ; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attempt at translation Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 11:24:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <7f1d42860909171135p21b10ac9x4759450c9721ac0c@mail.gmail.com> <200909172244.32493.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860909180804h2bc0e42wd230b733544978cf@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860909180804h2bc0e42wd230b733544978cf@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200909181124.10273.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2375 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 936 On Friday 18 September 2009 11:04:05 Ryan Leach wrote: > ki'e .pier. > > I have developed a tendency to mix up tricu and troci, and noticed it > as soon as you pointed it out. As long as you don't try to bark up the wrong tree. > If I understand you correctly, then in order to indicate possession, I > must include both the "le" and the "mi"- as in "mi batci le mi gerku". > I thought that the 'le' was elidable- I appreciate the correction. Correct. You can also: *use a sumti made with an article as possessor: "lo le cipni ku zdani" *indicate inalienable or alienable possession with "po'e", "po", "pe", or "ne": "le denci po mi". This can be useful if a paleontologist with an implant is in a group of paleontologists examining prehistoric teeth. > Also, I looked up ra'o in jbovlaste and am not certain that I > understand it. What exactly is a 'pro-assignment context update'? http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ra'o Pierre