Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqSql-0005Cj-F8 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:29:43 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f204.google.com ([209.85.211.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MqSqi-0005CM-CN for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:29:43 -0700 Received: by ywh42 with SMTP id 42so900473ywh.28 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:29:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=XOOkX7ZxJUTAmDd4KXlLEcutC4WSnSmS1ABk/tIyNUc=; b=nu9wRHyhRH5v4jlCSXwY8hlkDPrMeLiihP5Pwwq0w9PjvxbqFfgaijxqZTCWbXbq7V vH63KXYfor3Gset72gyOEdIzPxzhmmtDK2QN0wkg+eOl51Dul4gJQZCYgLrf93j0BU6W qeLZ6l3ybNl5lWnfSz4HyPf31bkn5qXtRFDKs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w2AB7Ucaw+0q6u6JhUGRyMplEcjgslyqah8KPU06Er1y1RzKhQ1TStm2B1jkwLQItF FfJ9EFDpbZUWjsSlFCiXD/JTQoaO8ncUA0F8dSWMc7gJct+XPV83zlPxzx20S/XQTzi5 ZQ8aVMhcx/zxGnSGKlBVkzPLWaOfrW7a8WBHo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.140.1 with SMTP id n1mr1359495agd.69.1253716173932; Wed, 23 Sep 2009 07:29:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60909230552y505e459wddb3da58b425b416@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860909171135p21b10ac9x4759450c9721ac0c@mail.gmail.com> <200909172244.32493.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60909230552y505e459wddb3da58b425b416@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 11:29:33 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909230729o1018c749g5acb77f01de312fb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attempt at translation From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2396 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1168 On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 9:52 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:44 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: >> >> On Thursday 17 September 2009 14:35:55 Ryan Leach wrote: >> > lu mi pu tirna da'e ra'i da'e goi mi pa'upatfu .ije mi pa'upatfu go'e >> > .ije do'i rapli nu so'i pano nanca .i >> >> I was stumped by the first sentence, but it parses. It means "ĞI heard it >> (which is something I'll say later) from it (which is something I'll say >> later) which is Iğ is a father with a component". > >  Actually, it doesn't parse.  "mi pu tirna da'e ra'i da'e goi mi > pa'u" is fine, but "patfu" is an illegal  second selbri in the main > sentence.  "tirna" is the selbri. "li'u" should't be elidable, but officially it is, so it does parse. ("toi" and "tu'u", the other text enclosers, also should not be elidable.) >  In addition, since you want help > with  "learning", not a learner", it's an event abstraction, "lo nu > cilre", so the first sentence is > pe'u ko [cu] sidju mi lo nu cilre "pe'u do'u ko", or just ".e'o ko" "pe'u ko" is grammatical, but probably not what was intended. mu'o mi'e xorxes