Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MsK0e-0006o3-Nh for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:36 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f225.google.com ([209.85.220.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MsK0b-0006nM-It for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:36 -0700 Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so2327171fxm.0 for ; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=zwKv6vm60NNtLfQpAJl2uYJ3wy2xYlVAqe3d4qXsUfo=; b=fH66+FIbMsn1mY9Uwgv9XUe+K024EjOzGfd/jNbTcGHqyjcgtBi/C0zuWbGNfp+F0y P+oJ6p9Ig/IsGugQ+liYmJVaTT7wQ17A2yMk4kvrdyyvvzcULcsEEo+AD7Tw+8yhg0Y2 QsafB4fzqL3VCgk2v/tFLE056dODOyaR3MRhI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=JaROQwHkNNZ7R7ZBnmkyiIHFAP6Tk40+YMyDbp0+INX9wmoNxQU69eMQBfU7W/dhGP QzxWGx5htJz6ONgLWE/r3V6BtznyBx9CSolAQVbrMVtxKet1NiyIB/UE/w5oylP0Ruy/ wWJt87UWigjTXjS5DJNys+vJZ9t6FM913V3OU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.23.66 with SMTP id q2mr3242962bkb.191.1254158846859; Mon, 28 Sep 2009 10:27:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860909280852x6bc9cb0cnd93ed5620469156f@mail.gmail.com> References: <8ACC341D-55A8-4AE8-BEFA-04CFB310ADE1@choi.name> <7f1d42860909280852x6bc9cb0cnd93ed5620469156f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 20:27:26 +0300 Message-ID: <5a3750120909281027s7f35ee56r5c96eefab09afd11@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama vs. litru From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2422 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1142 "litru" is "klama" without source/destination, to use when only the route/transport is significant. mi na'o litru lo ricfoi bai tu'a lo tixnu -- it does not matter, where the start/finish are. "muvdu" is harder. Right now, i think that it is about the moving "objects", loi djacu cu muvdu lo fanmo be lo rirxe lo krasi be ri. The difference is subtle. You, probably, can use "klama zi'o zi'o" for "litru" and "klama fu zi'o" or "klama fu vo'a" for "muvdu". 2009/9/28, Ryan Leach : > And how does muvdu enter into this little number too, since we're asking? > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Joshua Choi wrote: >> The baseline definition of litru is: "x1 travels/journeys/goes/moves via >> route x2 using means/vehicle x3. x1 is a traveller." klama also means "x1 >> is >> a traveller" in the baseline, but includes two more sumti. >> >> When should I use litru, and when should I use klama? >> >> >> >> > > > > -- > “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes > of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.” > -Tim Ferriss > > > > -- mu'o mi'e lex