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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama vs. litru
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2009/9/28 Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
> On Monday 28 September 2009 11:52:03 Ryan Leach wrote:
>> And how does muvdu enter into this little number too, since we're asking?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Joshua Choi <joshua@choi.name> wrote:
>> > The baseline definition of litru is: "x1 travels/journeys/goes/moves via
>> > route x2 using means/vehicle x3. x1 is a traveller." klama also means "x1
>> > is a traveller" in the baseline, but includes two more sumti.
>> >
>> > When should I use litru, and when should I use klama?
>
> If you go from one place to another, do klama. If you go around in circles, or
> go sightseeing without intending to end up in a particular place, do litru.
> As to "muvdu", it has a route, but no vehicle. I'm not sure why it's there.

2009/9/28 Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com>:
> "muvdu" is harder. Right now, i think that it is about the moving
> "objects", loi djacu cu muvdu lo fanmo be lo rirxe lo krasi be ri.

In my opinion, "klama" is agentive, while "muvdu" need not be so. I
don't use "klama" to say something like "the earth moves", because the
earth is not an agent; i would use "muvdu" instead. (The same
distinction applies to "catlu" and "viska", i think.)


mu'o mi'e tijlan