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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: klama vs. litru
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On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:09 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Monday 28 September 2009 11:52:03 Ryan Leach wrote:
>> And how does muvdu enter into this little number too, since we're asking?
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Joshua Choi <joshua@choi.name> wrote:
>> > The baseline definition of litru is: "x1 travels/journeys/goes/moves via
>> > route x2 using means/vehicle x3. x1 is a traveller." klama also means "x1
>> > is a traveller" in the baseline, but includes two more sumti.
>> >
>> > When should I use litru, and when should I use klama?
>
> If you go from one place to another, do klama. If you go around in circles, or
> go sightseeing without intending to end up in a particular place, do litru.
> As to "muvdu", it has a route, but no vehicle. I'm not sure why it's there.
>
> pu le nu tavla le gugdrnubi* ke djini jitro kei la filipos. muvdu la actod. le
> dargu zi'o

  I don't know what the reference is, but I assume you meant "djine"?
(it seems that, like me, you probably associate the gismu with the
Genie of the Ring....)

   As for muvdu, a lo klama (it seems to me) is self-propelled,
whereas lo muvdu need not be.  This is also distinct in muvgau vs.
klagau.  The first would refer to moving something (a game piece, a
rock, etc.), while the second is usually to bring someone.  IMO YMMV

              --gejyspa