Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3tWp-0001nK-2J for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:42 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f198.google.com ([209.85.212.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N3tWk-0001m0-2s for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:38 -0700 Received: by vws36 with SMTP id 36so621748vws.28 for ; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=zX07l+7PKT+Wm0Kaa48SK8KzT9DAszrgYDVashob6lk=; b=tM7yyqWgpN5Ni7PVMlux7hyR0jxb+EN3Mn8BjBD8RflHcmoafCrED0TK2HQhz2mmT2 kf+mYY1JOWQlSW7q22Lo2OzcsjNtC90E+dEP0iupWl9OG8geMse1UiOKiYdn83jLtwdP PJ+BWXK4OiDUS/M7YJGiA3Xiklig3uPFZeOkQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ZA2rjCB6IdIauDTllV6fEIxHVZ+a9545QFqZ3hLe+bsx+GS6N61nmnzfXsqtodO0qf Rj0HskdneFkocrDZeDCm9byePNx1bQvNSHi/b6hEK/33Wm7Z5rEWvpzExyr0bcQ1kxK4 5zLewdKV6rK76hq3EhiWZeNMot5WnYBNx7jI4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.122.212 with SMTP id m20mr1325262vcr.92.1256916987189; Fri, 30 Oct 2009 08:36:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910300049.45845.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <27513e550910291914p6c2f06cdi4c6ee61a8d056744@mail.gmail.com> <200910300049.45845.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Oren Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 23:36:07 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550910300836x72c7bb57jced0b80f9415fbf3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: n00b translation request To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e68f9c2188989e047728ca81 X-archive-position: 2498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 5764 --0016e68f9c2188989e047728ca81 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ki'e do three followup preti: 1. *.i nalcertu ke fanva selcpedu .i lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu* Can someone explain or point me to where I can learn about why adding 'sel' is necessary? 2. *.i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanro* In the above statement, would removing the "ka" merely introduce vagueness, or would it result in an incorrect meaning? 3. And finally, after learning about *be... bei... be'o*, here's my attempt: "Soda pop is healthy for dogs' eyes." *.i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku pe kanla lo ka kanro *...any issues?* * mu'omi'e .ku'us. On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:49, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Thursday 29 October 2009 22:14:47 Oren wrote: > > how do these look? > > > > 1. Soda is healthy for dog. > > (selbri: soda is good for dogs in-aspect health) > > .i le sodva xamgu le gerku le kanro > > As Luke said, "lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanro". > > > 2. And what if I want to fill out kanro's sumti as well, to qualify > > kanla as the aspect of healthiness? > > "bei" works, but you don't need it in a "nu" abstraction. "lo sodva cu > xamgu > lo gerku lo ka kanro tu'a le fanri be vi la niubyrn". (The last word refers > to a Lynx station. Look it up on CATS and Polaris and you should be able to > figure it out.) > > > 3. n00b translation request > > (non-selbri: a non-expert's translation request) > > le na certu pe le fanva cpedu > > > > 4. But there's probably a lujvo for n00b that I'm just not finding... > ? > > Or is there a more lojbanish way to phrase this? > > For that I'd leave off the article and leave it a selbri: "nalcertu ke > fanva > selcpedu". If it were an answer to a "ma" question, put the article in. > > Pierre > -- > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa > > > > --0016e68f9c2188989e047728ca81 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
ki'e do

three followup preti:

  1. .i nalcertu ke fanva selcpedu
    .i lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu

    Can someone ex= plain or point me to where I can learn about why adding 'sel' is ne= cessary?

  2. .i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo k= a kanro

    In the above statement, would removing the "ka" merely introd= uce vagueness, or would it result in an incorrect meaning?

  3. = And finally, after learning about be... bei... be'o, here's my attempt:

    "Soda pop is healthy for dogs' eyes."
    .i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku pe k= anla lo ka kanro

    ...any issues?
=A0mu'omi'e .ku'us.

On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 12:49, Pierre Abbat &= lt;phma@phma.optus.= nu> wrote:
On Thursday = 29 October 2009 22:14:47 Oren wrote:
> how do these look?
>
> =A0 =A01. Soda is healthy for dog.
> =A0 =A0(selbri: soda is good for dogs in-aspect health)
> =A0 =A0.i le sodva xamgu le gerku le kanro

As Luke said, "lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanro".

> =A0 =A02. And what if I want to fill out kanro's sumti as well, to= qualify
> kanla as the aspect of healthiness?

"bei" works, but you don't need it in a "nu" = abstraction. "lo sodva cu xamgu
lo gerku lo ka kanro tu'a le fanri be vi la niubyrn". (The last wo= rd refers
to a Lynx station. Look it up on CATS and Polaris and you should be able to=
figure it out.)

> =A0 =A03. n00b translation request
> =A0 =A0(non-selbri: a non-expert's translation request)
> =A0 =A0le na certu pe le fanva cpedu
>
> =A0 =A04. But there's probably a lujvo for n00b that I'm= just not finding... ?
> =A0 =A0Or is there a more lojbanish way to phrase this?

For that I'd leave off the article and leave it a selbri: "n= alcertu ke fanva
selcpedu". If it were an answer to a "ma" question, put the = article in.

Pierre
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li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa




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