From: Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: n00b translation request
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:01:31 -0400
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On Friday 30 October 2009 11:36:07 Oren wrote:
> ki'e do
>
> three followup preti:
>
>
>    1. *.i nalcertu ke fanva selcpedu
>    .i lo to'e certu selfanva bo cpedu*
>
>    Can someone explain or point me to where I can learn about why adding
>    'sel' is necessary?

I think you're confusing the place structures of "cpedu" and "preti". lu ma 
zasti? li'u preti zo'e mi do .iku'i mi cpedu lu ko ga'orgau le canko li'u do.

>    2. *.i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanro*
>
>    In the above statement, would removing the "ka" merely introduce
>    vagueness, or would it result in an incorrect meaning?

lo kanro is someone who is healthy. So "xamgu lo gerku lo kanro" would 
mean "is good for a dog in the aspect of someone who is healthy", which 
doesn't make sense.

>    3. And finally, after learning about *be... bei... be'o*, here's my
>    attempt:
>
>    "Soda pop is healthy for dogs' eyes."
>    *.i lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku pe kanla lo ka kanro

Ungrammatical. "pe" should be followed by a sumti or a prepositional phrase. 
You could say "lo sodva cu xamgu lo gerku lo ka kanla kanro" or "lo sodva cu 
xamgu lo gerku kanla lo ka kanro".

"pe" can be followed by a prepositional phrase, as in "la .arden. pe ne'i la 
DElauer." (as opposed to the one in North Carolina).

Pierre
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