Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MtngZ-0008Hm-Ql for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:21:00 -0700 Received: from mail-fx0-f225.google.com ([209.85.220.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MtngR-0008FT-Qj for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:20:59 -0700 Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so1423799fxm.0 for ; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=reFqVy/FZl0JmoxRVdCCxqvpRVAj2Id+u7wsrHnaemE=; b=h86wNA1/865k7zk3NlGQkCI21hMLL8/uSUnz+kARV1Bu5icmKe+3O69T/lOina209Y ukX1IbJNuyZRG2EkoJEtVdkN/Uu5/cQ5buCRR9FjA8mI9sJt5u4GkkYMQzrbBFSU6/1B 9g6fbMYai4AjH9SXlEG6lCqFnT4gGE/iIE3tU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=i1uLRFjgUicfawxLIab703f/6E2uXIX/3ERyukQQxqr9+K4eGei/kYA6gKpSXrKN/a svsIKntsRHtyNwElU9Kfjs1H0+wjir/kLWkydQeuiT/tmvKKC4JkL0y7jyyoP6IGtq0/ kBkmolpKctL3p5/gREGEeJ8ua3EWl0+7cp/9k= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.156.212 with SMTP id y20mr1489830bkw.126.1254511245124; Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:20:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <925d17560909230754hba35911k72901ad9b4bb77f6@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860909171135p21b10ac9x4759450c9721ac0c@mail.gmail.com> <200909172244.32493.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60909230552y505e459wddb3da58b425b416@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909230729o1018c749g5acb77f01de312fb@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60909230739h2c0f178cpb8d178715f294500@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909230754hba35911k72901ad9b4bb77f6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 12:20:45 -0700 Message-ID: <7f1d42860910021220l7a6ecd82ue8f617590d4340b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: attempt at translation From: Ryan Leach To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2436 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rsw.leach@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1018 Ouch. Back to the drawing board then. Lots of stuff to correct and misunderstandings to restudy then. ki'e rodo 2009/9/23 Jorge Llambías : > On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> >>  We crossposted, but as I mentioned in my last note, the utterance >> _as a whole_ doesn't parse, because the li'u wasn't actually, elided, >> but existed at the end of the second paragraph. > > Officially, there was an elided first "li'u", forced by the second > selbri, and the "li'u" at the end was a second "li'u" unmatched with > any opening "lu", so at that point the utterance becomes > ungrammatical. In other words, the final "li'u" cannot force a > previously elided "li'u" to disappear. This is all very mesy, and I > don't think "li'u" should be elidable at all. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > > -- “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.” -Tim Ferriss