Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0Fpg-0000i6-VL for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:37:05 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0Fpd-0000h5-NS for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:37:04 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so6427606ewy.0 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:36:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PoMUZfg1gY6Q/49RiW9YoY7nOmF/d/YdICqY6Zy8hbI=; b=hTW/FHYdGw6D4ekxQmGTD8EKTxNwnVKmfiMYIP60mIyk58YiKEDzxohPheIJKNhsFW 01S/QccOeVGWk0x/lSUZsMyEfVs8cc62N2241HaZ0T34lpySOBjdedwlrw7MiDwRCFgx FcNjiYyk/v+ZkIL9zoVAevk388EwB1yLwTVr0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=O0xYe2F7GLYeW8D7uyeO2vlgsqjGA5NEA1hkt7IV3A7KGeRDUhxIrbqrhtYy6MtVx0 xlQ1BCz4mFu6PoYeApoiJYrZXQovBAdaZPvBncKUyyiUYm9eLrE7L522p+zTPgsjmlMd Oc4DfX1lzsvFe2sib94mLZ9itvpMN4A4Q4NyQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.136 with SMTP id e8mr1121936wef.110.1256049414944; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:36:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910192134g7ee88df4i96326127cdb05f8b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910192146i644677f7u239e7e55ddcf40d9@mail.gmail.com> <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 07:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <7f1d42860910200736y5cb45190mcf8d576ce1fb2da8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: Ryan Leach To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2462 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rsw.leach@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 755 Okay I could see that. I have to ask a question though. What does it mean for trying to be an illusion? On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: >> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do.  'trying' >> is an illusion".  As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you do >> not, there is no such thing as "try". > > That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". > > Pierre > -- > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > > > -- “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.” -Tim Ferriss