Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0GUm-0004Ui-V3 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:33 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f202.google.com ([209.85.210.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0GUe-0004TN-EE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:32 -0700 Received: by yxe40 with SMTP id 40so5169150yxe.28 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bmPamGg+sO6tmHmsc4yyRr6XsPwAxTzgNx5WpQeVX1Q=; b=Tyh9rwo5dyXzfaPR+cc71FNFWbE642A0afXpB3YeiqfXdmO3VK4h2ZHy9BRqJQATBL +In4HYy8l522mMjmrwxiVcm3A3Xm3kLTuvENjzIsZ46LUmD9j0lm7p+KHj8SFl+TDvck dtj6DJVpVJZH2o0P7dE+37D4metab6ZG2sLLw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Zs93SIRuJKUIS6Z6W8GM/0y76yCPrmzuFuMf4j3ySpiqNVTtloEZmpZq0xNGxiAUpq s07CSR2liKougnK/vpV2dhAWMel819baJVRWzqr+fLsifK5HK/mqDAeFsZr+UCefbCqS wZFsbqT5FRwxPaLqAEYW5miuUg1Hz4Q1oZiWw= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.166.21 with SMTP id o21mr294290ybe.118.1256051958241; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 08:19:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7f1d42860910200736y5cb45190mcf8d576ce1fb2da8@mail.gmail.com> References: <200910180906.52373.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910192134g7ee88df4i96326127cdb05f8b@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300910192146i644677f7u239e7e55ddcf40d9@mail.gmail.com> <200910200056.26933.phma@phma.optus.nu> <7f1d42860910200736y5cb45190mcf8d576ce1fb2da8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:19:18 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910200819v6af7e680rf2543651c6c615cc@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Yoda quote From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd573d4ca5c0d04765f628e X-archive-position: 2463 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 3359 --000e0cd573d4ca5c0d04765f628e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As in, "you think that you are 'trying' but in reality, you have already decided internally whether you will succeed or fail. In this way you do no= t 'try' you merely do, or do not do. Therefore, choose to do". Sounds like some hippy power-of-positive-thinking bullshit, but consider when star wars came out. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ryan Leach wrote: > Okay I could see that. I have to ask a question though. What does it > mean for trying to be an illusion? > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote: > >> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not do. > 'trying' > >> is an illusion". As in, you either do what you intend to do, or you d= o > >> not, there is no such thing as "try". > > > > That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci na'i". > > > > Pierre > > -- > > li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du > > li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > =93Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes > of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.=94 > -Tim Ferriss > > > > --000e0cd573d4ca5c0d04765f628e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As in, "you think that you are 'trying' but in reality, you ha= ve already decided internally whether you will succeed or fail.=A0 In this = way you do not 'try' you merely do, or do not do.=A0 Therefore, cho= ose to do".

Sounds like some hippy power-of-positive-thinking bullshit, but conside= r when star wars came out.

On Tue, Oct 20= , 2009 at 10:36 AM, Ryan Leach <rsw.leach@gmail.com> wrote:
Okay I could see = that. I have to ask a question though. What does it
mean for trying to be an illusion?

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 October 2009 00:46:11 Luke Bergen wrote:
>> see I understood yoda to be saying "you either do, or do not = do. =A0'trying'
>> is an illusion". =A0As in, you either do what you intend to d= o, or you do
>> not, there is no such thing as "try".
>
> That's how I too understand it. That's why I said "troci = na'i".
>
> Pierre
> --
> li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du
> li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci
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>



--
=93Nothing bothers me more than sloth. Th= e objective is to fix mistakes
of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.=94
-Tim Ferriss




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