Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:05:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCEwg-0005Tr-M8 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:05:50 -0800 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.121]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NCEwa-0005TU-Dm for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:05:50 -0800 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20091122160537876.LRWU22957@cdptpa-omta03.mail.rr.com> for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 16:05:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0AD0CA8E for ; Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:05:35 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: sel- vs se Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:05:29 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200911221105.31626.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 2568 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 915 On Saturday 21 November 2009 14:44:45 Joshua Choi wrote: > Got a couple of usages question on the difference between the se cmavo > and the sel rafsi. Is there any difference between "ti se citka mi" > and "ti selcti mi"? Or "ta se klani" and "ta selklani"? One forms > phrases—don't know if you'd call them "tanru"—and the other forms words > —which probably count as lujvo. And don't lujvo have "specified" > meanings that are more specific than their corresponding tanru? Does > that affect words like selcti? Generally there's no difference, as "se citka" is not a tanru. If "seltci" (or "selbo'e") is used in a lujvo, though, then there is a difference. "selcajlanci" means "flag that symbolizes something traded", i.e. "trademark", whereas "se canja lanci" could mean that, and could also mean "flag that is traded". Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci