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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Study plan for a quiz- I'd like a second 	opinion on this one
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"Has been dead" means "was and is still dead".
stevo

2009/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  da ca co'i morsi (One dies.)
> >  da ca ba'o morsi (One is dead.)
>
> That would work if "morsi" meant "dies" (a change of state, goes from
> being alive to being dead) rather than "is dead" (a state).
>
> "ba'o morsi" means "has been dead" (i.e., it is no longer dead), not
> "has died" (it is no longer dying).
>
> Compare with "sipna", which is more likely than "morsi" to be used
> with "ba'o". "ba'o sipna" means "has been asleep", not "has fallen
> asleep". "Falls asleep" is "sipybi'o" or "co'a sipna", and "dies" is
> "mrobi'o" or "co'a morsi". "co'i sipna" and "co'i morsi" are complete
> events of sleeping, or of being dead. The difference is that events of
> being dead don't usually ever end, so its unlikely that one would
> speak of "ba'o morsi", "having been dead", except in some very special
> contexts.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
>
>
>

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<div>&quot;Has been dead&quot; means &quot;was and is still dead&quot;.</di=
v>
<div>stevo<br><br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2009/11/1 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex=
; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 12:53 PM, tijlan &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jbotijlan@gmail.com">jbotijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;<br>&gt=
; =A0da ca co&#39;i morsi (One dies.)<br>&gt; =A0da ca ba&#39;o morsi (One =
is dead.)<br>
<br></div>That would work if &quot;morsi&quot; meant &quot;dies&quot; (a ch=
ange of state, goes from<br>being alive to being dead) rather than &quot;is=
 dead&quot; (a state).<br><br>&quot;ba&#39;o morsi&quot; means &quot;has be=
en dead&quot; (i.e., it is no longer dead), not<br>
&quot;has died&quot; (it is no longer dying).<br><br>Compare with &quot;sip=
na&quot;, which is more likely than &quot;morsi&quot; to be used<br>with &q=
uot;ba&#39;o&quot;. &quot;ba&#39;o sipna&quot; means &quot;has been asleep&=
quot;, not &quot;has fallen<br>
asleep&quot;. &quot;Falls asleep&quot; is &quot;sipybi&#39;o&quot; or &quot=
;co&#39;a sipna&quot;, and &quot;dies&quot; is<br>&quot;mrobi&#39;o&quot; o=
r &quot;co&#39;a morsi&quot;. &quot;co&#39;i sipna&quot; and &quot;co&#39;i=
 morsi&quot; are complete<br>
events of sleeping, or of being dead. The difference is that events of<br>b=
eing dead don&#39;t usually ever end, so its unlikely that one would<br>spe=
ak of &quot;ba&#39;o morsi&quot;, &quot;having been dead&quot;, except in s=
ome very special<br>
contexts.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br><br><br><br></blockquote></div=
><br>

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