Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:51:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6ZWG-0006PO-4M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:51:08 -0800 Received: from mail-fx0-f225.google.com ([209.85.220.225]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N6ZW9-0006OK-RM for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:51:07 -0800 Received: by fxm25 with SMTP id 25so441300fxm.26 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:50:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=YAU71za+pl49xocMb5LByYCBavFr87NxCN46pk8akKo=; b=U9PJ2GMJYl3O7kc9YK+EP7yCbt0pgNgs5wUB05wvCiU2RVcivjaz4OwnNrVsVPlNhQ VBy232/aWy98gl606gVsUTL1NvqPh2D0XG3izCImMr/WLUTjLaYbgq0BIlCdnUno41OH FvbtGjDBXzUpgg6xBRlmI3QOLfJ130kQlChtY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ExkcMvj/DuxMcDWc0ArSKghOv70me1On3N6pztwNX6/pFL4f4/U533v3HBW/+DfnKL jyjrr3ueRdGwCfOQgvsEG0AnMOei6C5bCXsF3kF9+RRB/879oUTXh+7ZRBjvI73OLI4/ /SSxZQ9nWVgQO/lD4uvnwGddGlpAPqR3wqOjA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.5.138 with SMTP id 10mr5383432bkv.110.1257555055229; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 16:50:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300911061055i13e6c4br2c9604e0472be5b5@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f1d42860911060938v45138b38xfa686f4e6e935de5@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300911061055i13e6c4br2c9604e0472be5b5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 19:50:55 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b950911061650h792ac5e5q59d98af2f64ad974@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How do I say these things in lojban From: Steven Lytle To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175906b65a3af50477bd5a13 X-archive-position: 2550 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lytlesw@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 3190 --0015175906b65a3af50477bd5a13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Original: "If you cannot understand then you obey only by chance" > > 2) {go do na jimpe gi do snuti po'o tinbe} I think. Although logical > connectives were never my strong suit. You could also do it like this: {= lo > nu do na jimpe kei rinka lo nu do snuti po'o tinbe} which is "the event = of > you not understanding causes the event of you only accidentally obeying" > I don't think that "by chance" can be rendered well in this case by "accidentally". stevo > > >> "If you cannot understand then you obey only by chance" >> >> I know that "you understand" should be-- do jimpe >> and I think that "you cannot understand" would be -- do na ka'e jimpe >> "If" is giving me real trouble though. >> I also am uncertain if I need to use a "then" and if I do, I am >> uncertain as to what it is. >> Perhaps I just need to seperate the two parts with an -- .i >> >> - - - - >> >> >> -- >> =93Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes >> of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.=94 >> -Tim Ferriss >> >> >> >> > --0015175906b65a3af50477bd5a13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Original: "If you cannot understand then you obey only by chance&= quot;
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2) {go do na jimpe gi do snu= ti po'o tinbe} I think.=A0 Although logical connectives were never my s= trong suit.=A0 You could also do it like this: {lo nu do na jimpe kei rinka= lo nu do snuti po'o tinbe}=A0 which is "the event of you not unde= rstanding causes the event of you only accidentally obeying"
I don't think that "by chance" can be rendered well in t= his case by "accidentally".
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stevo
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"If you can= not understand then you obey only by chance"

I know that "= you understand" should be-- do jimpe
and I think that "you cannot understand" would be -- do na ka'= ;e jimpe
"If" is giving me real trouble though.
I also am u= ncertain if I need to use a "then" and if I do, I am
uncertain= as to what it is.
Perhaps I just need to seperate the two parts with an -- .i

- - - -<= br>

--
=93Nothing bothers me more than sl= oth. The objective is to fix mistakes
of ambition and not make mistakes = of sloth. I work my ass off.=94
-Tim Ferriss





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