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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:03:03 -0800
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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How do I say these things in lojban
From: Ryan Leach <rsw.leach@gmail.com>
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excellent thank you

On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:55 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I think your best bet would be to learn the grammar before you start trying
>> to translate more complicated things.  Lojban is so different from English
>> that simply looking for all the lojban equivalents of the english words
>> doesn't end up giving very good translations.
>>
>> On to your questions...
>>
>> 1) {le mi gerku} is a shortcut for {le gerku pe mi} that is "the dog that is
>> associated with me".  So you could say {le gerku pe la deiv}.  Although,
>> correct me if I'm wrong jbocre, I think you can get away with {le la deiv ku
>> gerku}.
>>
>   No, you can't say that, but you absolutely can say (surprise!)  "le
> la deiv gerku".  How does this work?  Simple, if the la is followed by
> one or more  cmevla ( a word ending in a consonant), it simply
> terminates at the end of those, so it knows that "le la deiv gerku"
> --> "le (la deiv) gerku" --> le gerku pe la deiv.  Why doesn't "le la
> deiv ku gerku" work?  because the "ku" terminates the "le"
> construction, and you haven't actually supplied the selbri that you
> are changing into a sumti.
>
>>"If you cannot understand then you obey only by chance"
>
>  One way might be:
>
>  da'i do na jimpe .i se  ni'ibo lo nu  do tinbe cu cunso
>
>
>> 3) "repeat the procedure until I return".  ->  {ko rapgau lo terpra co'u lo
>> nu mi xruti}.  At least that's my best guess.  My grasp of lojban tenses is
>> also fairly weak.
>>
>
>  One way:
>
>  ko ru'i gasnu lo pruce pu'o lo nu mi se'ixru
>             --gejyspa
>
>
>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Ryan Leach <rsw.leach@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have some clarifications I was hoping people could help me with.
>>>
>>> I know that if I want to say my dog, then I say-- le mi gerku
>>> and if I want to say your dog, I think I would say le do gerku
>>> how do I say Dave's dog? i don't think that I would use the same
>>> format, because Dave is a cmene and it would need a 'la'
>>>
>>> and would it vary for something more abstract like a writing trick
>>> like "Chekhov's gun"
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>>
>>> Also how would I say this-
>>>
>>> "If you cannot understand then you obey only by chance"
>>>
>>> I know that "you understand" should be-- do jimpe
>>> and I think that "you cannot understand" would be -- do na ka'e jimpe
>>> "If" is giving me real trouble though.
>>> I also am uncertain if I need to use a "then" and if I do, I am
>>> uncertain as to what it is.
>>> Perhaps I just need to seperate the two parts with an -- .i
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>>
>>> Also I would like to be able to say this---
>>>
>>> "repeat the procedure until I return"
>>>
>>> repeat is-- rapli
>>> return is -- xruti
>>> procedure isn't in jbovlaste however
>>> and finding words such as until are very difficult
>>>
>>> - - - -
>>>
>>> Thanks for the assist Guys
>>>
>>> --
>>> “Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes
>>> of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.”
>>> -Tim Ferriss
>>>
>>>
>>>
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-- 
“Nothing bothers me more than sloth. The objective is to fix mistakes
of ambition and not make mistakes of sloth. I work my ass off.”
-Tim Ferriss