Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKMuo-00044Y-RZ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:31 -0800 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NKMuc-0003yz-R0 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:27 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4120537ywh.2 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=KS5rb2JadMS8ApCeEKMi5hi0rjkVsLhIJc66x0plIvs=; b=cneIpbOI1qhaWaAke32u+RZQgfE+gIm3ZVR9w9NlSZ6UE1+NOQV0Z8H11e2+6dh6Y8 JoMzavlbP8p1SJWM3t4ZtiiNfhz85Y/uXW3tKHPJ76mYf6TIP4EUtbc1uunmcrx/ySyY Y/VAPqG4JASBLWVTU6XBtL+c/XymrGHWzwAh8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tRGGX3kvx/ClVgjqAgYaRMJyYmHtkTorT42joKYyvRv96+ZIBOyLI4koDDGecTpnZH 9kh6NthLY5qXJuDnjtCbB6u2usCdsaqQUqD7Aezsmzn/ST9gCROfh76MYdo9ouK1RiSZ Xx0puQl9G7kGBWNtNQuaPLWWTgjoCSWyCtC28= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.150.7 with SMTP id c7mr2843560ago.44.1260843188203; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 18:13:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <429fde40912141716h2ebb6d8cy928a4cc2eed97235@mail.gmail.com> References: <429fde40912141716h2ebb6d8cy928a4cc2eed97235@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:13:08 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912141813k3e14fd91q2fb40366f0091272@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: xorlo, lo'e, and le'e From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2648 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 776 On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Joshua Choi wrote: > > Under the xorlo reform, the articles in the LA and LE selma'o are > reformed. However, two articles in LE are not mentioned at all in > either the informal or formal proposals of xorlo: lo'e and le'e. What > is the status of these cmavo after xorlo? Are they deprecated? Or are > they included in xorlo? Or are they unchanged? The significant point of xorlo is that sumti without an explicit outer quantifier are not to be taken as quantifying the bridi they appear in. In that sense, all sumti are affected, whether it's a sumti from KOhA or one headed by LE, LA, LAhE, LI, LU, ZO, etc. But other than that, I think they remain unchanged (i.e. as little understood as before). mu'o mi'e xorxes