Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:45:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLd9I-00014e-4F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:45:40 -0800 Received: from mail-bw0-f215.google.com ([209.85.218.215]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLd99-0000yT-OI for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:45:35 -0800 Received: by bwz7 with SMTP id 7so2265085bwz.26 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:45:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=JNAQ01x3Iya1wx0qS2grX0B7Jj4nGX11WkbALdcpOLE=; b=UQ3DGuNc0fN7A87aVLoi4h7oit7ynDwEio5qULWeNlIq9e93aSb5FTHoBUTHaknlNP yElGkr5UWgA5KQQNXSwbR9Ge8GTERMf7JimjxcVKBfAuS7G3d1xhzs4jKCPAzY16nvQ/ Ip+XWxeD8Y+9NsNe6jEES8BjK9xdXsyifu0ug= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oS39B4WTSelPOlZuQ10a6BBNCgl5606OADPx1Yhfh3h+Y3eOC1vKgPbUQixxj+tiwT qCLatw7G+W6JRMJin14QxPjbWcnVWZjlG608linlY5tAFb8m5w5IwC297QGQgQVcEd72 w5j8g9Lh71h1yLMGOYd9k2DerGrLAAiFQaMkY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.25.207 with SMTP id a15mr2411329bkc.8.1261143922408; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:45:22 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <200912172230.29053.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:45:22 +0200 Message-ID: <5a3750120912180545p64d95c2cm969572cf42c406c9@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A question about gismu definitions From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 2655 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 524 >I suppose this can wait until such aliens/computers actually show up. You don't need to wait. "remna jenai prenu" is quite common (dead humans). "prenu ju remna" is rarely distinct, but the difference is obvious at the start of the Turing test, when you don't know, who is who. And here are a lot of "us", believing/thinking, that "we" are not "remna", but some parasites, utilising human bodies — be it "soul" from a lot of religions, "memes" from Dawkins books. So, we do need both words right now. -- mu'o mi'e lex