Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNG5i-00061B-6s for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:42 -0800 Received: from mail-pw0-f47.google.com ([209.85.160.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNG5V-0005sE-Pu for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:34 -0800 Received: by pwi1 with SMTP id 1so4786210pwi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=MWIENkKPzaGTbYyf/tzbDCzr3PPVoqEKeJ0AlBTfyww=; b=ZTXNyAzNrh+ULQrgv+ZWSfjt8lmx7ljTbUJAHTZ+2DKbZhqmls/Wdw0RLNGX65MzFm x1WcgX8gqC8ggjL0oV/4CxJWxlzsL0NvUa334Pg8F49DkwrHFnzzcAJG1vNlHY2872BV Ba8NDpastwDqGUyTZmucu3nmvUzaY7jfDmfqo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=jbRXo4ObPa/wUJWEb5Hdw13xJlnhvLVVfGq/RogpR43L1Pf+8FQ3puWR/rxMmrgoE3 Ihsc5ZJbgJlvkDhVfrnGNeDF9rMO5B32m4BoptaNWPndF9VfvlsipMdk65ValuG8gY+C Q2CpcT/kw8TrPwZeC0PkC9Kh01QEdpOjLuXC8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.1.24 with SMTP id 24mr6256361wfa.108.1261531943100; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 17:32:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <476725.92360.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912201755p5b49a95dg224f022e030644ed@mail.gmail.com> <200912211327.37550.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> <110822.32761.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912211713s6a3b85c2ya5d86d86de39d4c2@mail.gmail.com> <330650.65926.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912220751x757995cbi4e80e17aeaf1d2eb@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912221007h2e7c2457l17b5ab2ad3ccfef2@mail.gmail.com> <476725.92360.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Oren Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 09:32:03 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550912221732r74e896ddnc72818c0db85be01@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2be575760ec047b5b4b65 X-archive-position: 2702 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 7991 --001636b2be575760ec047b5b4b65 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Haha, I meant no offense! I've looked at a bunch of flashcard programs, but not all! re: elephant idea -- what's that? re: memnosyne -- I've installed it (on Ubuntu), and would love to try out the deck you mentioned! re: Quizlet -- I tried quizlet a while back (and again after reading this email) and my connection is consistently reset (as it was last time I tried), which probably means it's very good, since China's censoring it! I'll fire up my proxy sometime and check it out. The one thing that would make one of these services killer for me is import and export of plain old CSV files. That's why I like jMemorize, whereas things like Parley have flexibility but need pesky xml markup. Is Quizlet good for this? The other reasons I like smart.fm are I think the study sessions are very well-executed containing automatic mp3 playback, and the prompts to type the answers work great with ascii lojban. I guess my point of mentioning flashcards in the first place was to say that I don't think it makes sense to design the website to include flashcards when there's free alternatives that are already hosted, maintained and developed elsewhere, and that would also give lojban more opportunities for mainstream exposure at the same time. mu'o mi'e .ku'us. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 03:56, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > *From:* Steven Lytle > > *To:* lojban-beginners@lojban.org > *Sent:* Tue, December 22, 2009 1:07:11 PM > > *Subject:* [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and > logflash > > Whatever happened to the Elephant idea? > > stevo > > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Oren wrote: > >> Yea, I think there's definitely some high-quality lessons on lojban.orgalready, and more good ones being produced on google wave as well. I see the >> two approaches (lessons and submitted sentences) as being a pretty solid >> model; there's two more things I think might complete the system: >> >> Rich dictionary entries >> I think that the idea to show rafsi in practical use is great; and I think >> the best way to flesh out gismu entries (and cmavo, eventually lujvo too) is >> to have dictionary entries that can have example sentences and >> comments/questions, a record for common questions that people have about >> usage etc. The entry for each word could (should) have rafsi examples if >> applicable, natural language origins if applicable, and example usage >> (possibly more). >> >> Flash Cards >> If people get the initiative to make flashcard groups for lessons, just >> make them and link to them on smart.fm, which seems to be the best free >> platform-independent flashcard solution I can find. The only things that >> come close are jar files (like jMemorize) or not as flexible or intuitive as >> smart.fm. >> I like Quizlet and use it a lot. Why do you think it's not that good? >> >> totus >> > --001636b2be575760ec047b5b4b65 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Haha, I meant no offense! I've looked at a bunch of fl= ashcard programs, but not all!

re: elephant idea -- what's that?=

re: memnosyne -- I've installed it (on Ubuntu), and would love = to try out the deck you mentioned!

re: Quizlet -- I tried quizlet a while back (and again after reading this email) and my connection is consistently reset (as it was last time I tried), which probably means it's very good, since China= 9;s censoring it! I'll fire up my proxy sometime and check it out.

The one thing that would make one of these services killer for me is import and export of plain old CSV files. That's why I like jMemorize, whereas things like Parley have flexibility but need pesky xml markup. Is Quizlet good for this?

The other reasons I like smart.fm are I think the study sessions are very well-execut= ed containing automatic mp3 playback, and the prompts to type the answers w= ork great with ascii lojban.

I guess my point of mentioning flashcards in the first place was to say that I don't think it makes sense to design the website to include flashcards when there's free alternatives that are already hosted, maintained and developed elsewhere, and that would also give lojban more opportunities for mainstream exposure at the same time.

mu'o mi'e .ku'us.

On Wed, Dec= 23, 2009 at 03:56, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:

Yea, I think there's definitely some high-quality less= ons on lo= jban.org already, and more good ones being produced on google wave as w= ell. I see the two approaches (lessons and submitted sentences) as being a = pretty solid model; there's two more things I think might complete the = system:

Rich dictionary entries
I think that the idea to show rafsi in pract= ical use is great; and I think the best way to flesh out gismu entries (and= cmavo, eventually lujvo too) is to have dictionary entries that can have e= xample sentences and comments/questions, a record for common questions that= people have about usage etc. The entry for each word could (should) have r= afsi examples if applicable, natural language origins if applicable, and ex= ample usage (possibly more).

Flash Cards
If people get the initiative to make flashcard groups fo= r lessons, just make them and link to them on smart.fm, which seems to be the best free platform-independent flashcard solution= I can find. The only things that come close are jar files (like jMemorize)= or not as flexible or intuitive as smart.fm.
I like Quizlet and use it a lot. Why do you think it= 's not that good?
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totus

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