Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:55:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNIJX-000778-FW for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:55:07 -0800 Received: from mail-px0-f198.google.com ([209.85.216.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNIJM-0006v8-Gc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:55:00 -0800 Received: by pxi36 with SMTP id 36so4533758pxi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:54:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=xq9mc9SRn2O9V/mt+9xE68lpMot17j4Vu1gN760if88=; b=VXy430n/SjrWlSEf8m+Te2tn5UWXJP4Ekm9/KCtaXwnYLYYFRDmNHrSR6Ua0AKeiqz 7PcsgpYopuExz1MdFD1YAbpQWzscWiqHSy0ncy6DB6S/jJerzKAElDb8JYhAvFFDoR65 1sVGHR1EqkjtMg6HFal/o+Huu0Fc0b+Yo7zLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ENON0LUGh3C6C0sCIhwlma8YbTfumOtCZbjHmT71LzxzVMQ21Xp7lL5b0Y+O2gLzU3 KbdJ6oCidL8Hm4I5Bc7PzbpyNBFDv0OYfMIJ3DpSlEDPn+J5jNOE/E9fRFE7iMPFAISv K1rmVeIqIXRQZuaDKaZFyIuK/Sh1akuZ+9G0o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.4.17 with SMTP id 17mr6428720wfd.85.1261540490117; Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:54:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <762696.19092.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <230918.3024.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <96f789a60912211122g130717c8ja5edfa04d77a0825@mail.gmail.com> <110822.32761.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912211713s6a3b85c2ya5d86d86de39d4c2@mail.gmail.com> <330650.65926.qm@web88005.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912220751x757995cbi4e80e17aeaf1d2eb@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912221007h2e7c2457l17b5ab2ad3ccfef2@mail.gmail.com> <476725.92360.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <27513e550912221732r74e896ddnc72818c0db85be01@mail.gmail.com> <762696.19092.qm@web88006.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: Oren Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:54:30 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e550912221954g8553b15t2447129b7cce0caf@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502bfe9c883bd047b5d486c X-archive-position: 2705 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 6077 --00504502bfe9c883bd047b5d486c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Parley is part of the KDE Education Project, it's a flashcard program built specifically to showcase different styles of foreign-language learning. Its free and only built for linux as far as I'm aware. CSV (a .csv file) is literally just a text file with "comma separated values." Excel and OpenOffice can export and import as .csv, and it's really easy to transfer a plain text file (such as a list of gismu!) into csv format for quick creation and manipulation of "decks" of flashcards. On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:43, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > > *From:* Oren > > *To:* lojban-beginners@lojban.org > *Sent:* Tue, December 22, 2009 8:32:03 PM > > *Subject:* [lojban-beginners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and > logflash > > > re: Quizlet -- I tried quizlet a while back (and again after reading this > email) and my connection is consistently reset (as it was last time I > tried), which probably means it's very good, since China's censoring it! > I'll fire up my proxy sometime and check it out. > > The one thing that would make one of these services killer for me is import > and export of plain old CSV files. That's why I like jMemorize, whereas > things like Parley have flexibility but need pesky xml markup. Is Quizlet > good for this? > > What are CSV and Parley. I'm Category 2, remember? > > > The other reasons I like smart.fm are I think the study sessions are very > well-executed containing automatic mp3 playback, and the prompts to type the > answers work great with ascii lojban. > > Yes, it looks good, but it's not ready yet. In the meantime.... > > > I guess my point of mentioning flashcards in the first place was to say > that I don't think it makes sense to design the website to include > flashcards when there's free alternatives that are already hosted, > maintained and developed elsewhere, and that would also give lojban more > opportunities for mainstream exposure at the same time. > > You're right of course! But the beginner website should refer to them, and > provide some information that will let the beginner choose the one best for > him/her. > > totus > > --00504502bfe9c883bd047b5d486c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Parley is part of the KDE Education Project, it's a fl= ashcard program built specifically to showcase different styles of foreign-= language learning. Its free and only built for linux as far as I'm awar= e.

CSV (a .csv file) is literally just a text file with "comma separa= ted values." Excel and OpenOffice can export and import as .csv, and i= t's really easy to transfer a plain text file (such as a list of gismu!= ) into csv format for quick creation and manipulation of "decks" = of flashcards.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:43, A. PIEKARSKI = <totus@rogers.com<= /a>> wrote:

From: Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>

To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org<= /a>
Sent: Tue, De= cember 22, 2009 8:32:03 PM

Subject: [lojban-begin= ners] Re: Site for beginners was: vlatai and logflash


re: Quizlet -- I tried quizlet a whi= le back (and again after reading this email) and my connection is consisten= tly reset (as it was last time I tried), which probably means it's very= good, since China's censoring it! I'll fire up my proxy sometime a= nd check it out.

The one thing that would make one of these services killer for me is im= port and export of plain old CSV files. That's why I like jMemorize, wh= ereas things like Parley have flexibility but need pesky xml markup. Is Qui= zlet good for this?
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What are CSV and Parley.=A0 I'm Category 2, remember?<= div class=3D"im">

The other reasons I like smart.fm are I think the study s= essions are very well-executed containing automatic mp3 playback, and the p= rompts to type the answers work great with ascii lojban.
=A0
Yes, it looks good, but it's not ready yet.=A0 In the = meantime....


I guess my point of mentioning flashc= ards in the first place was to say that I don't think it makes sense to= design the website to include flashcards when there's free alternative= s that are already hosted, maintained and developed elsewhere, and that wou= ld also give lojban more opportunities for mainstream exposure at the same = time.

You're right of course!=A0 But the beginner website should re= fer to them, and provide some information that will let the beginner choose= the one best for him/her.
=A0
totus

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